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Tuesday, March 17th 2015, 2:26pm

Have we already determined that the BioReactor is more efficient than pure IC2 fermentation? Or Forestry fermentation?

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Tuesday, March 17th 2015, 3:23pm

i think so, but i am not quite sure right now. you get 150 mb/plant at maximum efficiency and apparently one bucket produces 231000something rf in a compression dynamo, don't know if the biogenerator from mfr itself is any more efficient. i doubt you get that much for forestry or ic² biomass.
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Tuesday, March 17th 2015, 10:43pm

In an efficiency optimized Compression Dynamo one bucket of biofuel produces 925,000. Depending on what modpack, version a MFR biofuel generator produces from 1,500,000 to 233,000 per bucket.


And I'm pretty sure that the bioreactor does have redstone control, I'll have to check.


Maybe if you have a supply of excellent sapplings, fruit, fruit juices the forestry fermenter could outpace an MFR bioreactor, but I don't think you could begin to produce those tree goods at the same volume per acre you can with IC2 crops. Plus the forestry fermenter is only making biomass, you'll need to refine that into ethanol (same as biofuel)


As far as the IC2 fermenter, it provides 1.6 times the power you put into it, but the problem is one of volume. A fermenter can only be attached to one heat source, and there are few practical powerful sources of heat for it. The solid heat generator is too slow, the semifluid is pretty slow too. The Electrical runs at a loss. Hot coolant is decent, but even then, I would say that IC2 fermenters are a great way to get a lot of power out of a nuclear reactor, I would not say they are a competitive means to get a lot of power out of plants.

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Wednesday, March 18th 2015, 12:01am

(you are supposed to use the Semifluid Generator). Note that the Semifluid Generator apparently treats Ethanol equally as Biogas.

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Wednesday, March 18th 2015, 12:23am

I have a little over 100 of those :P

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Thursday, March 19th 2015, 12:28am

Spawn what about this business of "air quality"? Supposedly crops positioned way up high, and crops with x amount of open air spaces above them have better air quality.
1.What are the rules on this?
2.What bonus does it give?
3.Can low air quality be nullified with enough water and fertilizer in crop-matron, or this is separate?

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Thursday, March 19th 2015, 12:58am

Spawn what about this business of "air quality"? Supposedly crops positioned way up high, and crops with x amount of open air spaces above them have better air quality.
1.What are the rules on this?
Crops air quality is affected by three things.
+ air quality depending on height it is planted. Maximum air quality by height is at Y 128.
+ air quality if the crop can see the sky (must not have opaque blocks above it)
- air quality depending on the amount of crops and blocks nearby.

While i'm at it:

Crops nutrient is affected by two things.
+ nutrient based on the amount of dirt below the farmland (up to three blocks of dirt below the farmland, totalizing 4 dirt blocks)
+ nutrient if the crop is being fed fertilizer

Crops humidity is affected by three things.
+ humidity if the crop farmland is wet.
+ humidity if the crop is being fed water via cropmatron or hydration cell
+/- humidity based on the biome the crop is. (best is swamp/jungle, worst is desert/ice , forest is in the mid-term +)
2.What bonus does it give?
The same bonuses nutrients and humidity gives. Crops grow faster.
3.Can low air quality be nullified with enough water and fertilizer in crop-matron, or this is separate?
Crops growth are based on the sum of hydration, nutrients and air quality (combined later with the growth stat).
Increasing enough hydration/nutrient will "nullify" the problem of low air quality.
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Thursday, March 19th 2015, 1:56am

Thanks for such a great answer spawn. Two follow ups.

1. Pure force of fertilizer can overwhelm insufficient soil blocks and imperfect biome? Or it's something like Biome*Soil*fertilizer = nutrient value and each multiplier has it's own maximum.

2. Where does the "irrigation" terraformer fit into all of this? It says that it makes crops grow faster, but is that merely a matter of "hydration" that can be satisfied by crop-matrons anyway?

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Thursday, March 19th 2015, 2:42am

Thanks for such a great answer spawn. Two follow ups.

1. Pure force of fertilizer can overwhelm insufficient soil blocks and imperfect biome? Or it's something like Biome*Soil*fertilizer = nutrient value and each multiplier has it's own maximum.
Overwhelm? Not really, each of the + or - contribute to increase or decrease the total amount of nutrients/hydration/air quality, affecting the growth speed individually.
You could have a fertilized/hydrated farm in an insufficient soil land and imperfect biome, but the crops wouldnt grow as fast as if they had the perfect conditions.


2. Where does the "irrigation" terraformer fit into all of this? It says that it makes crops grow faster, but is that merely a matter of "hydration" that can be satisfied by crop-matrons anyway?
I can't answer about the irrigation terraformer as it is a very old piece of a thing. I don't know how much it affects the crops nowadays, if it even does.
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Thursday, March 19th 2015, 3:04am

Cool. So there's no substitute for growing nice and high, open space, in a swamp or jungle biome.

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Thursday, March 19th 2015, 3:12am

Yes. Add cropmatron with fertilizer and water for even faster growth.
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Thursday, March 19th 2015, 10:53pm

What about Galacticraft planets? What biomes are they considered to be? What penalties or bonuses would they have?

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Thursday, March 19th 2015, 10:56pm

If it cant identify the biome it will default to no bonus. IC2 can detect biome types and adjust accordingly (biomes o plenty wasteland is identified as a desert-like biome).

Probably you won't see any bonuses or penalties by growing crops on space.
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Thursday, March 19th 2015, 11:02pm

Ok, so as a point of refference, would that put it on par with plains? Are they the starting point? ....Dessert -3 plains 0 swamp +3 jungle +3.....something like that?

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Thursday, March 19th 2015, 11:08pm

Something like that indeed.
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Friday, March 20th 2015, 11:08am

Quoted from "CraftyFellow"
Spawn what about this business of "air quality"? Supposedly crops positioned way up high, and crops with x amount of open air spaces above them have better air quality.
1.What are the rules on this?

Crops air quality is affected by three things.
+ air quality depending on height it is planted. Maximum air quality by height is at Y 128.
+ air quality if the crop can see the sky (must not have opaque blocks above it)
- air quality depending on the amount of crops and blocks nearby.

What about the dark glass from extra utilities? does that count as opaque?
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Friday, March 20th 2015, 3:52pm

Can't tell for sure. If light can't go through likely won't be. You could test if you have gregtech (its scanner can detect nutrient, humidity and air quality conditions of a crop).
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Friday, March 20th 2015, 4:03pm

Wait, what is best, swamp or jungle ? And does custom biome count ? ( With high humidity ).

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Friday, March 20th 2015, 4:10pm

If I recall correctly swamp and jungle are equally good. Custom biomes are detected by their type internally. (cherry forest is a forest type biome , wasteland is a desert type biome. Some biomes won't be properly detected and will default to no bonus)
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Friday, March 20th 2015, 5:07pm

But if I have my own custom biome with same humidity and temperature, will IC2 detect it ?