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Friday, June 12th 2015, 6:39pm

or make silicon unlearnable, like ores. that's a possibility, too.
It's added by AE2, not EE3, so it's designed to be learn able so you can use EMC to make everything in the mod. Lazy devs = lazy gameplay

pahimar deliberately added the possibility to make each and every item in the game impossible to pull out of the transmutation table, the list of those items can be edited by say, server owners or players who don't want dupes in the game. that is what i meant. does nobody here watch forgecraft? they talked about the stuff in EE3 there.
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Friday, June 12th 2015, 6:48pm

or make silicon unlearnable, like ores. that's a possibility, too.
It's added by AE2, not EE3, so it's designed to be learn able so you can use EMC to make everything in the mod. Lazy devs = lazy gameplay

pahimar deliberately added the possibility to make each and every item in the game impossible to pull out of the transmutation table, the list of those items can be edited by say, server owners or players who don't want dupes in the game. that is what i meant. does nobody here watch forgecraft? they talked about the stuff in EE3 there.


I am watching forge craft way to much... And yeah i know that but i do not mention that because EE3 is still under dev soo...

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Friday, June 12th 2015, 8:15pm

or make silicon unlearnable, like ores. that's a possibility, too.
It's added by AE2, not EE3, so it's designed to be learn able so you can use EMC to make everything in the mod. Lazy devs = lazy gameplay

pahimar deliberately added the possibility to make each and every item in the game impossible to pull out of the transmutation table, the list of those items can be edited by say, server owners or players who don't want dupes in the game. that is what i meant. does nobody here watch forgecraft? they talked about the stuff in EE3 there.
Yeah, but that's not how it works by default. I never understand why you'd add a mod like EE3 and then nerf it to irrelevance.
145 Mods isn't too many. 9 types of copper and 8 types of tin aren't too many. 3 types of coffee though?

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Friday, June 12th 2015, 9:22pm





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or make silicon unlearnable, like ores. that's a possibility, too.
It's added by AE2, not EE3, so it's designed to be learn able so you can use EMC to make everything in the mod. Lazy devs = lazy gameplay

pahimar deliberately added the possibility to make each and every item in the game impossible to pull out of the transmutation table, the list of those items can be edited by say, server owners or players who don't want dupes in the game. that is what i meant. does nobody here watch forgecraft? they talked about the stuff in EE3 there.
Yeah, but that's not how it works by default. I never understand why you'd add a mod like EE3 and then nerf it to irrelevance.
it's not "nerfing it to irrelevance" it's "fixing all the dupes", who were the major complaint with EE2. Pahimar added these options because he knew he couldn't fix all dupes with all mods.

EDIT: somebody gotta do something about those quotes.
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Friday, June 12th 2015, 9:35pm

There's no point adding an EMC value to it just to not be able to use it. I'd only have an EMC value of 1 anyway, as that's how much sand has.
145 Mods isn't too many. 9 types of copper and 8 types of tin aren't too many. 3 types of coffee though?

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Saturday, June 13th 2015, 11:11am


There's no point adding an EMC value to it just to not be able to use it. I'd only have an EMC value of 1 anyway, as that's how much sand has.

the mechanic is that you can't take it OUT of the transmutation table, you can still put it IN though. pahimar did that for ores, so there would be no free ore doubling-quintupling, depending upon the mods installed, but you could still use it as a form of furnace, even though it's wasteful with oredoubling mods installed.
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Saturday, June 13th 2015, 11:40am

The EMC value was added so you could take it out though. Just because Thermal Expansion goes and breaks things doesn't mean silicon needs to be nerfed any more than lowering it's EMC value.
145 Mods isn't too many. 9 types of copper and 8 types of tin aren't too many. 3 types of coffee though?

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Saturday, June 13th 2015, 12:15pm

uhm, that's the opposite of nerfing, but meh. it makes more sense to remove the recipe though, that's true.

EDIT: or make it so that you have to pulverize the sand beforehand, giving no output but one -insertwhateverplaceholderitemhere- as a secondary output of 1/256 with no possibilities to modify it.
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Saturday, June 13th 2015, 3:38pm

Stopping you from learning silicon is definitely more of a nerf than just fixing the EMC value to match the sand it's made from. EE3 is still being fixed to work out things like that automatically though, so I'm sure it'll be worked out to prevent it happening in the future.
145 Mods isn't too many. 9 types of copper and 8 types of tin aren't too many. 3 types of coffee though?

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Saturday, June 13th 2015, 10:04pm

the whole reason I'm complaining is that silicon, which is (in AE2), if i recall correctly, made from quartz, has an EMC value of 1 then, which would be.. a bit to low i think. i think it's supposed to be harder to get than that. i don't recall all the recipes right now, but I'm pretty darn sure that AE2 silicon is NOT supposed to literally be cheap as dirt. enderio has a recipe to turn sand into silicon, btu that has something inbetween a 1/4 and a 1/12 chance(don't recall it right now).
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Saturday, June 13th 2015, 10:15pm

The point is it's Thermal Expansion adding the recipe, so the only way to avoid an EMC exploit is to drop it's to 1 EMC. At least EnderIO has a random chance, TE's is 100%.
145 Mods isn't too many. 9 types of copper and 8 types of tin aren't too many. 3 types of coffee though?

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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 10:08am

GregTech manages to block a crapton of recipes from a gazillion of different mods. it shoudln't be hard for EE to block that particular one. for that matter, AE2 silicon and EnderIO silicon shouldn't be registered with the same name in the OreDictionary, that would solve the issue.
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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 12:02pm

No it wouldn't, EnderIO by default overrides the AE2 recipe, so unless you change the config option you won't even have the old recipe. Not to mention, it's still overriding the item, so EnderIO doesn't add it's own silicon with AE2.
145 Mods isn't too many. 9 types of copper and 8 types of tin aren't too many. 3 types of coffee though?

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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 1:15pm

How about we assign the EMC value of 1 to everything, so there may be EMC loops, but they won't be that OP, since you have to do it often to get a lot of EMC out of it? (Except for the fact that you can turn dirt into diamonds then.
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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 3:17pm

my whole point is that AE2 silicon requires quartz, not FRICKIN SAND, and that, if anything, these darn recipes of OPness should be removed for AE2 silicon. might be balanced with enderio silicon, not with AE2 silicon.
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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 5:20pm

But enderio is right in sand is quarz. Thats why it is called quarzsand... But it is not 100% it is only 10% or so.

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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 5:23pm

It's Thermal Expansion that's in the wrong, as usual, making it a 100% drop.
145 Mods isn't too many. 9 types of copper and 8 types of tin aren't too many. 3 types of coffee though?

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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 8:04pm

I'm not talking realism here, but balance. in AE2, you're supposed to get silicon from quartz, in enderio you get it from sand(and clay, if i recall correctly), so it shouldn't be registered as the same.
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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 8:05pm

No, I totally agree, but that's on AE2's back letting EnderIO do it more than it is EnderIO doing it in the first place.
145 Mods isn't too many. 9 types of copper and 8 types of tin aren't too many. 3 types of coffee though?

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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 8:16pm

Well we will see how things work^^"

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