sorry, I forgot to mention that if I just add said files minecraft crashes.
note: not using any other mods besides modloader/modloadmp/forge and they are all up to date. (also deleted META-INF)
edit: looks like my vanillacopy of minecraft that I keep copying off of was just shot from, well, being copied so much, downloaded a fresh one and it works now.
note: also looks like its incompatible with scottools