[Suggestion]: Remove possibility of nuclear explosion from reactor/ And more stuff about generator rework idea

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    Name of Suggestion: well I guess it doesn't have a name, but basically I suggest we make some of the ideas of "industrial-craft" more realistic particularly pertaining to power generation


    To start things off I think that the nuclear reactor if it were to overheat it should just melt down along with its adjacent blocks and just become a new block that is unusable and unmovable.


    for a name for the block it can either be called, "Damaged Fuel", "Molten core", or "elephants foot" (nickname for the melted core of Chernobyl)


    and while i am at it i am just going to share some ideas that i have brainstormed but haven't came up with recipes for. (not only that but i don't know how possible they are to implement)


    I guess before i proceed any further, i should admit i am a noob to this mod and i just started playing with it.




    I noticed that there are a plethora of things that can utilize pipes. pump compressor generator nuclear reactor etc. I have no idea if making pipe is possible because i have never made a mod for minecraft but i figure that it could be similar to a dispenser expect that it can dispense the item(water) a distance away depending on how many pipes you connect. a pump can pick up water and dispenser can release it so it seems possible. The reason why I want pipes though is much bigger. I imagine a redesign of blocks such as generator and nuclear reactor. instead of putting something in a generator and just getting power you would need to provide relative motion to the generator to provide power and the way you would do that would be a new block called turbine. A turbine would spin and if connected to the generator would in turn spin the generator providing power. But wait how is this making power one might ask, well what makes a generator? and what does it do? a generator converts mechanical energy to electrical energy. A generator needs three things: conductive material, relative motion, and a magnetic field. we have a conductive material and relative motion but we still need a field which means we need DC power so we need another new block made from batteries and circuits or something called the exciter. OK so now we need to make sure our turbine is turning to provide that relative motion so how do we turn it? Steam! i imagine that the way to implement this in game would be to have pipes connected to the turbine and use a pump to send water through it but only will work if the water had some energy worked on it first so that it is steam so we need a energy source... This is were a new block called a Boiler comes in. this can use coal etc to heat water that is sent through it with pipe. Or we can use a nuclear reactor. and btw the boiler and reactor would be bigger than one block so you can make them varying sizes for more steam or hold more fuel etc. Now where are we lets get back on track so we have steam to turn a turbine to turn our excited generator so it will provide power(btw as long as the generator is running it doesn't need the exciter it only needs to it start up) now we have steam with less energy exiting our turbine and we need more water to go into our boiler so what do we do? next new multi-block component is the condenser which is essentially a heat exchanger. so steam goes in and turns back into water, this will be built by the same material that built our boiler but this time we make it bigger and have pipes go though it and connect to a block called pipe coil. through these pipes we will pump water from a large water source such a lake or ocean or back and forth from a cooling tower. WAIT A COOLING WHAT? yes we can use our pumps to pump the water with low energy through our coil which will interact with its adjacent blocks of steam to condense the steam and warm of the water and then pump that water up to a tower we build and spray it down through spray nozels it will rain down cooling to through natural convection so we can send it back through to cool more steam. seems like the boiler method of power generation makes sense but what about this nuclear reactor? Well we will build a vessel not unlike the boiler we built but this time it is build a stronger material more resistant to the effects of radiation and inside we will put new block fuel rods in, that are crafted from the same stronger material to and enriched uranium but also we will put control rods in. think of fuel rods and control rods as polar opposites, fuel makes more neutrons control rods take away neutrons. control rods will be our way of controlling the reactor and shutting it down, when we build them on top of pistons wired with redstone so can remotely shove them into the reactor to shutdown. I explained what would be in the reactor but how do we get energy to ad to our water and make steam for the turbine? well we all know that uranium itself doesn't just boil water and not even enriched uranium will do that either, but why not? we need to provide a thermal neutron source to start the nuclear reaction of course, so we need to make a particle accelerator to bombard the new mineral berkelium-249 with neutrons till we make californium-250 then bombard that with neutrons to create californium-251, And that is our thermal neutron source. so when you are ready to start the reactor just drop that in there and the reaction begins. Now enriched uranium has about 3-5 percent U235 which is the fissle isotope we like but the rest of that is U238 so what happens to that? well there are what we call breeder reactors that utilize the fast neutrons to change U238 (through a couple beta decays or so) into plutonium239 which is another fissle isotope so you get more energy for your fuel. which is a good thing. btw since the u235 is a low percentage this means that a nuclear reactor can't have a nuclear explosion like a nuclear bomb can which uses more like 85 percent or greater.


    anyway I just wish I can build a functional Nuclear plant in minecraft mostly because I recently got a job at one.


    EDIT


    One block machines
    Boiler
    Turbine


    boiler will take the coal or other source to burn and connect pipe to it thatis transporting water


    the turbine connects with generator and pipe coming from boiler
    then the generator will simply provide power ass long as boiler is running, after fuel source burns up in boiler there will be a delay on boiling the water at the start but after the fuel is all gone the boiler will stay on(or keep generating steam) for the time that it took to heat it up in the first place.


    I am thinking bucket on top of machine block on top of stove for crafting a boiler Or a stove surrounded by buckets or something like that
    and for the turbine it can be a waterwheel surrounded by refined iron or maybe 3 water wheels horizontaly and 3 refined iron on top and bottom
    or a waterwheel combined with a windmill

    anyone that think they can actually put this in minecraft I am willing to give more of my input to the way i envision this. what i mean is that i would love to talk to someone about this. we need pipes and water holding energy has a mechanic of the game. Thermodynamics!
    and Nuclear stuff!


    come on guys it isn't rocket science, its Nuclear science.


    EDIT


    ok i just now saw that the redpower mod has pumps that can pump oil through pipes so we can utilize that for making true power plants

    I believe similar things have been suggested in the past, and they were denied under the thought that it would take a huge amount of coding to do them, they wouldn't really add anything to the game as nuclear power is already complex enough on its own, and the game is made for fun, not hardcore engineering to make an endgame power source that, if done incorrectly, melts down.

    Is the answer to this question no?


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    Hey don't take it so hard. Ignorance is part of this generation it seems. -the wise words of XFmax-o-l

    well we dont have to make it as complex as i described but at least we should make a generator different, because a generator doesn't make power out of coal it or whatever, a generator is essentially a motor in reverse so it converts mechanical energy to electric.


    I think that this mod is already really complicated and it would make more since if it was based more on the real life components they are named after. Not trying to offend anyone obviously a lot of work went into the mod

    You basicly described a multi-block machine/generator which has been denied...


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    remove posibility of an nuclear reactor exploding?


    DUDE! a few letters RTFM
    see spoiler for explanation




    in short, the config file should be your best friend here.

    right, time to get serious...
    i wil be offline for weeks and possibly months at an time. if you have anything to add to an post i made, and would like me to know. you are welcome to pm me, and i wil reply as soon as i am able to do so.

    well as far as i know the nuclear reactor can explode if it isnt used properly, I think it should just melt into a new unusable block. I mosly suggest this change because nuclear reactors in real life can't cause a nuclear explosion like a nuclear bomb can. it would be cool if the nuclear reactor was reworked to be more like nuclear plants in real life.

    Quote from pavjoe2

    well as far as i know the nuclear reactor can explode if it isnt used properly, I think it should just melt into a new unusable block. I mosly suggest this change because nuclear reactors in real life can't cause a nuclear explosion like a nuclear bomb can. it would be cool if the nuclear reactor was reworked to be more like nuclear plants in real life.

    Realism, again and again ... STOP WITH IT please :)
    And if Nuclear Reactor explode in IC², it's:
    1) For fun.
    2) To avoid easy breeding.
    3) Because the reinforcments you'll need to protect your base are parts of the cost.
    4) Because it replace radiation as it's also a huge problem ^^


    Soon with Molten Salt Reactors, right ? :D
    NERF THA FUSION REACTOR!

    well we can make it more difficult to make a stable reactor and if its unstable it will melt to an unusable and Unmovable block. and i understand we can't make it 100 percent realistic because after all this isn't real its a game but it can at least make a little sense or just rename it to the magic reactor.


    edit
    besides what's so bad about realistic

    Quote from pavjoe2

    well we can make it more difficult to make a stable reactor and if its unstable it will melt to an unusable and Unmovable block. and i understand we can't make it 100 percent realistic because after all this isn't real its a game but it can at least make a little sense or just rename it to the magic reactor.


    Given your recent job, I understand your interest in this, however IC2 and realism have not been known to mix, hell, Minecraft and realism have not been known to mix. Welcome to Minecraft where everything is made up and the physics don't matter, that's right the physics don't matter! You are proposing we add realism to a game where you start by punching down a tree, making wooden planks with your hands, so that you can make a pickaxe out of wood, which means that you can break floating stone blocks in a matter of seconds with a vastly inferior material, so that you can eventually reach diamond, and break obsidian, making it so you can create a portal to Hell itself, should I continue, or are you catching my drift here? On top of this, we just had an extremely major update to Nuclear Reactors, I don't think people want to see another major update anytime soon.

    Is the answer to this question no?


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    Hey don't take it so hard. Ignorance is part of this generation it seems. -the wise words of XFmax-o-l

    I mean i agree that all of those things are not realistic but i still think it would be nice to have a boiler and turbine with water going through to give the generator power, i mean it wouldn't be realistic for me to build my own power plant in real life but that's why i want to build it in minecraft

    well i guess your right, people won't want to see this. the only person is me. i should have known my suggestion was dumb and i was being really optimistic when i considered the mod can incorporate it.


    if someone made a mod that was more like the way i described i would be even willing to pay for it but i know there is not enough demand.

    Quote from pavjoe2

    I mean i agree that all of those things are not realistic but i still think it would be nice to have a boiler and turbine with water going through to give the generator power, i mean it wouldn't be realistic for me to build my own power plant in real life but that's why i want to build it in minecraft

    You do. But the vast majority of the users don't want IC² to become more complicated. And just think: what would it REALLY change ? If it change something to make the game more enjoayble, that can be good. Else ...


    Soon with Molten Salt Reactors, right ? :D
    NERF THA FUSION REACTOR!

    the way the nuclear reactor is in IC2 seems more complicated than real life lol! here i was hoping i would have an advantage knowing how they work in real life.

    Quote from pavjoe2

    the way the nuclear reactor is in IC2 seems more complicated than real life lol! here i was hoping i would have an advantage knowing how they work in real life.

    More complicated ? Lol! It so easier than IRL to understand ... Cells produce Heat and EU, and both more if you use Cells in the meantime. And you have to cool it down. Also, you can use Reactor Hull (heat stored by the reactor) to increase the speed of breeding. That's easier than understanding (It's also not complicated IRL, but more than the IC² system) difference between U235 and U238 in the way of a Nuclear Reactor works ... what I won't explain to you (because I hope you know how it works before saying it's easier than IC² and because I do not know all the technic words in english)


    Soon with Molten Salt Reactors, right ? :D
    NERF THA FUSION REACTOR!

    ...
    you're joking right?


    A reactor exploded IN MY HOME COUNTRY.


    The reactors are very realistic. reactors seemingly don't explode because they are engineered very carefully. It is very possible for them to explode.


    besides, if reactors weren't dangerous, what would be the fun of using them?