Posts by mementh

Quote from Chocohead

I get similar things starting up single player worlds. Even on 1mb/t, when the world first loads, or I update IC2 especially, it will produce normal steam for a few ticks, and I know it is, since I have an overflow steam tank that only fills up when that breaks. I haven't really found any fixes for that, past making sure that the system would work even if steam was going through it. Not experienced the 2mb/t superheated steam bug though.

same 2mb/t does not work or worked in a flaw for a while

I recomend the setup i have shown in my video ... i do know i make sure i have enough extra coolant in my reactor to handle overflow cooling for those few ticks
if your reactor melts down its a bad thing!

Quote from Chocohead

Pretty much.

Solar Distiller takes 1 hour to turn 1 bucket of water into 1 bucket of distilled water in a normal temperature biome. Breaking and replacing it to fix it is a pain, so distilled water is much better. Why does the solar distiller need to be faster?

thats 3 days in game to make 1 bucket vs a few moments with a easy pick up and remove ( if your at that level making nukes you have the best backpack and can afford to waste 9k eu)

Quote from Chocohead

No, it's meant to just be placed back down to fix it. It's designed to push you to use distilled water or maintain your water powered turbines (I think).

interesting .. just don't let it get to 100% ? or ?

i think if it has a reset option then there is no reason to have a SLOW solar distiller it makes little sense..

or make it so the boiler only takes distilled water.

there is imho a balance issue.. either its too easy to make with another boiler and clean up by removing or solar distiller needs to be faster

Quote from nou_spiro

Here is my attempt to make turbine block.
Botton row are two liquid heat exchangers. Between them is steam generator which send steam to two kinetic steam turbines. Each turbine have attached one generator. The fluid regulator is pointed downward. When you put ejector update to condenser, turbine and heat exchanger you can easily attach it to side of the reactor. Also it works only with distilled water as water condensed inside the turbines are returned directly to steam generator. If you put water to steam generator it becomes blocked.

Only problem with this setup is at start it blows some steam outside so sometimes you must refill your water.

replace the middle condencer with a fluid transport ( no need to condense) and set the boiler to 221 pressure and 1 mb water and it will always output superheated steam at 200 hu/t

its a long video but the one i did last night should show you how to setup the parts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APWSfeI5QbA

Quote from MauveCloud

As far as decompiling, I presume you mean under the clause "Modifying any or all of the files of IC is permitted without limitations for private use only." I'll try that.

As far as the crashing, could one of you please post the exception details? Thanks. I developed it using NetBeans 8.0.1 and Java 1.8.0_11, but it didn't crash for me even when I ran the jar standalone outside NetBeans.

Technically, no, it doesn't need to be Java, that's just what I'm most familiar with. I could view this as an opportunity to learn HTML5 or whatever, though.

It's standalone at the moment, so I'm not sure how you'd make it run in the browser. I can't really blame you for not trusting me, but I can run it just fine inside Sandboxie, in case you're concerned with security - it's almost completely self-contained, except for reading an optional user-specified (and remembered via Preferences.userRoot) path to a resource pack (I have a 4k screen, so I don't like settling for default 16x16 textures). Would it help if I posted hash codes (MD5, SHA1, etc.) so you can verify that the file hasn't been corrupted or hacked on the server?
I have a copy of Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Professional stowed away, but if I used that and C++ or C# (both of which I'm rusty at), the program wouldn't run (except via emulation) on Mac or *nix, and might be considered even more risky than Java

I was already planning to make this open source, but I was hoping to get some feedback and develop it a bit further first. Also, I was thinking SourceForge, mainly because I hadn't really noticed GitHub. One thing that concerns me is that Wikipedia lists "Commerical" for the "Self-hosting" feature for GitHub. Could somebody please explain what that means? Thanks.

Update: I've looked at IC2 in a decompiler, and fixed my simulator to do two passes per reactor tick (one for handling heat and one for handling energy output) instead of three (one for generating heat and energy, one for vents dissipating heat, and one for exchangers transferring heat). However, I've looked at the code for the exchangers, and I don't really understand what it's doing. I think I'd have to mostly copy the decompiled code to get those to simulate correctly, so who can I ask for permission?

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i know abotu sandboxie its gibsonian approved should use it but don't ( organizing how to keep settings is above my desires)
consider HTML 5 and such is the way things are moving it would be a good idea to work on it once you have your designer setup better ( IE set a "functional" rule to you and once you reach it switch to porting to html 5 to make it more available)

and your right a EXE is more risky then java is..

i don't know enough about programing for saftey.. so just know its a risk and removing alot of it is best but i know i could not do anything and your doing reverse enginering to make the dang thing
I would say it wont hurt to do hashes but would it help?
doing git hub allows people that know more then me see things easier when someone is bad

others can talk about github more but i assume its mostly open and commercial is for higher end projects? ( assumed)

Quote from Blackpalt

They work in set of two. Even thought it says it can transfer 50 heat with five it actually transfers 40. it can transfer even 20, 40, 60, 80 and 100 in practice. The calcification is slow enough that it does not matter much. I think it calcifies completly after 100 buckets of water or 100 buckets of distilled water or 5000 seconds or so in my case. at 100 % calcification the process stops but nothing is damaged and it stops transfering heat to the steam generator. You can then resett the steam generator again by just picking it up and placing it down again.

did not realize that about the heat.. wonder why that is..

and the calcification reset should be a bug.. you should report that ( make sure your picking i up in survival and not creative)

Quote from Blockmaster139

>implying webpages can't give you viruses

web pages themselves.. no.. HTML 5 probabbly not..
scripting which is a addon to pages does open up options ( no script handles alot of protection there) .. and java which is notorious for being attacked is a huge window to protect/guard against.

so having it int he more secure programing area makes more sense?

Quote from Blackpalt

I meant the solar destilation of water, not the solar power.

The method ive used to create distilled water is a bit wastefull but it works and its also quite fast. I just built a electric heater that boils water in a steam generator. it produces 20 mb of distilled water per second per 100 Hu. Ofc you could add more heaters to make it even faster. ofc you don't have to run it on electricity as you could just as easily run it on lava. However its more convenient for me since i have a very large power production.

You could add a turbines to be less wastefull of the energy. a single turbine would return 50% of the investment which is quite nice. However if you use lava there i really wouldn't be that concerned with wasting lava

There is also a thing that has to be considered when using a combination of stirling engines and steam. Unless the heat of the reactor can be evenly divided by 20 (if you have 40 excess heat you use 4 heat conduits etc) you need some kind of dense mode cabling to transfer the hot coolant to the liquid heat exchangers. Unless you put the liquid heat exchanger using stirling on a lower priority than the ones using steam it will try to split the hot coolant evenly between the steam cycles and the stirling cycles and you will end up with either to much hot colant or to little which will screw upp your steam cycles. The only mods that can do that i know of is steves factory manager and thermal expansion cables.

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actually its 10 hu/t to consider each heat conductor is 10 hu/t removed.. so any multiple of 10 can work if its STABLE.. IE no flux or very little

and your method works.. but burns a steam generator up as you said. it will calcify quickly

Quote from Chocohead

Me too. A java exception occurs

does it need to be java?

could it not be done in HTML 5 or something thats less... risky to run untrusted ( Not trying to cause anger from offence ( i do mean to offend) sorry but we don't know you as well as we know player and mojang )
for me i don't let java run in the browser and limit its connections otherwisewhen running manually.

second if you use a non java it might be easier to run ? who knows

hope you can fix the crashing

Quote from Blackpalt

It could be a bit shorter but it should give beginners the information they need to get started with the reactors which is no easy task as it is now. Even learned a few things myself, didnt even know you could make distilled water slowly with solar power, ive added that to my setup to make sure i dont loose any distilled water in the setup.

Nice effort!

if i re-do it i will have all the mats ready and better prepared.. its just .. there is SO little info in a area and no way to show what is a working design!

how can you make distilled water other then with the solar options ( figure i am missing something i can add next time)

and the solar power deal powers what allows you to recover the distilled water automatically and not need to rely on any other source so that start up does not have issues

did a "long" howto setup the reactor build video and how to make the coolant and such ( i made a few mistakes building but got it resolved)

its not a "short" video 50 mins but it shows everything i have picked up from here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APWSfeI5QbA

Quote from Blackpalt

Ive been having some problem with the stability of the steam generators actually. Sometimes they stop working for some reason when at 221 bar and 2 mb at 400 Hu. The strange thing is that it is only when working with the hot coolant. My lava setup works like a charm and ive never had any problem with it. To get it running i usuall have to get stable operation at 1 mb per tick and then increase it to 2 mb per tick or it just produces steam even when it has all the hot coolant it needs.

Lava setup 300 eu/tick with ender io and buildcraft
http://prntscr.com/4q9fcj

Mementh: I think its an optimal setup using only ic2. If you use some other mod that is good at moving fluids you can make setups that inputs 400 HU per steam generator. which makes the setup a lot cheaper since you need only about half the equipment (still need as many liquid heat exchangers). Ive used both ender io fluid pipes and steve's factory manager to great sucess.

My current setup looks like this using steve's factory manager:

http://prntscr.com/4qgu4o

I i use 1200 Hu in 3 steam generators and the remaining 144 heat is used in stirling engines. At first i had 6 steam cycles with 200 Hu per steamcycle but this is A LOT better as there is a large difference in running cost and initial investment. its also a lot cleaner.

I prefer moving the coolant away from the reactor as i can then make a smaller reactor room out of reinforced stone and build the turbines outside. However if you like putting the turbines on the sides of the 5x5 you can also make a simular setup as you have done but with 400 Hu per side of the 5x5. Iv'e tested it in creative and it works just fine using ender io.

Edit: Scratch the stability thing, there is now nothing left of my poor reactor, lucky i enclosed it in reinforced stone, only the reactor broke and not my base. The reason for the breakdown was this

http://prntscr.com/4qj4yx

For some unknown reason the turbine stopped processing the overheated steam and boom went my reactor. Anyone else having similar problems? Im leaning more and more towards using stirlings for 5x5. Both kinetic steam turbines and steam generators are highly unstable and unless you have a safety system on your reactor it might just go boom. I wont make the same misstake again.

I also found another bug. As long as the steam generator is pumping water into blocks besides it (for instance 1 mb/tick of distilled water that is instantly put back) it will never loose heat. My steam generators stay at 375 degrees forever as long as i keep recycling distilled water.

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try my setup 221 pressure and 1 mb water.. seems to be stable? 2 heat exchangers since they literally can't do more then 100 hu/t that might be causing your issues?

you also need fluid upgrades in the turbines to empty them as things fill up ( should not have steam in the turbine like that)

Quote from Chocohead

Bad bad bad. Use 220 so you only need 200hU per 1mb/t of water.

so whats funny is on my test rig 220 works (till i changed it as a test) .. and is reliable.. but for some reason my nuke wants 221 bar to do superheated and looks stable and reliable ( reproducable )

I managed ot use the 400 HU/t setup to get 2 turbine setups with fluid regulators to return the water to the tank.... and was getting out of the 400 hu/t 290-295 eu/t.. which i feel is stable..

does anyone have a idea of improving? the steam system setup? (i know i can get more hu/t with other reactor setups )

Quote from mike

ok, version 1.2 is ready...

- New Block: Very Large Battery -Stores up to 120M EU but can't charge items.
- The Cable Upgrader consumes now cables from player's inventory (but it's easer to craft one and it's only Tier-1 now)
- Void-Generator needs now only one IC2-Extractor (previously needed two)

-mike

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VLB should output at the 8192 ammount since its a tier above.. and should use a MFSE instead of a basic block and a advanced circut instead of normal ( since it holds so much power it needs to have a high cost )

playing with the setup last night and i could get the level needed i
think.. it would be risky since you can't get more distilled water in I
think.. so the boiler could overheat easily..

4 thermal heat surround the steam boiler..

kenetic machines with turbines right after with a condensator at the end.

kenetic
machines and condinsator have fluid upgrades but make sure you change
them to have a "side" to go to ( hold the upgrade and right click it on
the side of a block where you want it to go ( north south east west up
down)

with the condensator running I was able to get a test
system up to 205 heat 1 mb/t and 230 presure to get superheated steam ( 3
liquid exchangers) this was unstable for a nuke since i don't know of a
config that gives a XX5 output ( IE if it was 405 output stable then i
could have 2 sterling and output them seperatly )

if anyone know
of a stable non fluctuating system that has a mark 1 XX5 output it
could work with 3 liquid exchangers and superheated steam giving a space
to put in new distilled water for safer running

( cross posting this to the nuke thread /mox thread as well)

first pic is the boiler settings

second pic has 3 thermal generators just with creative hot cooling fluid cans placed in them.

Quote from Blockmaster139

Fluid Regulator?

playing with the setup last night and i could get the level needed i
think.. it would be risky since you can't get more distilled water in I
think.. so the boiler could overheat easily..

4 thermal heat surround the steam boiler..

kenetic machines with turbines right after with a condensator at the end.

kenetic
machines and condinsator have fluid upgrades but make sure you change
them to have a "side" to go to ( hold the upgrade and right click it on
the side of a block where you want it to go ( north south east west up
down)

with the condensator running I was able to get a test
system up to 205 heat 1 mb/t and 230 presure to get superheated steam ( 3
liquid exchangers) this was unstable for a nuke since i don't know of a
config that gives a XX5 output ( IE if it was 405 output stable then i
could have 2 sterling and output them seperatly )

if anyone know
of a stable non fluctuating system that has a mark 1 XX5 output it
could work with 3 liquid exchangers and superheated steam giving a space
to put in new distilled water for safer running

( cross posting this to the nuke thread /mox thread as well)

first pic is the boiler settings

second pic has 3 thermal generators just with creative hot cooling fluid cans placed in them.

Quote from psusi

I went to fluid enrich some more biomass and found it wouldn't run because I had 500mb of leftover construction foam left in the output tank ( even though I wasn't trying to use the output tank -- I supplied the cells to put the biomass in ). I guess it got there because I had charged up the cf sprayer and had a partial bucket that couldn't fit. I used a fluid cell to scoop the construction foam out so I could make some biomass, and later on, I thought I would put it back in and load it into the cf sprayer, but the canning machine won't accept the cf, so I can't figure out how to get it out of the cell and into the sprayer now. Am I missing some other method to load the sprayer or is this a bug?

use a second canning machne and a fluid upgrade

Quote from CubeWrench202

Someone can give some love to this idea?,i really want dyeable QSuit's.
I don't know how to code,but make dyeable QSuit's is hard to do?

if it were easy it would already have been done it might be something todo as a teast/learning but it would take time to do if your new

Quote from SpwnX

400 hU/t, 220bar pressure, 2mB/t water.

the question is.. how do you get the 400 without using pipes from buildcraft? the steam generator has to get heat from a side.. and 4 are used by heat.. 1 by output and 1 for fluid return from condensators so there is no possable way to make it work, 5 possable since the liquid heat exchangers have to be on the reactor and can only output in 5 directions ( strait out and 4 sides)

Am i missing something obscure like the ejector upgrades can be set to a side or is it just not possable with vanilla to get the full power out of a nuclear reactor ( and if so.. why not? Can player step in and give advice please)

Quote from SpwnX

Top because you clicked the top face of a block. Try clicking on another side with it in your hand.

just found that out.. its CRAZY!!! mind reeling..

this changes mayby how the item buffers can be used ???? wow!!! gotta play around more with this!!!!

edit: so right to left.. macerators with buffer set to go to the left
electronic sorters since you have dust and tiny parts (those are up and over) and thermal out to left and into furnace
1 box for bars
1 for dust
1 for tiny bits

any ideas to improve? or streamline? ( if i did it on the side i would just make it longer as the need to process more happens )