[Idea-List]:List of Idea for addons developpers: Almost a Rejected-Suggestion-Thread!

At first will come suggestion: I’ll post two replies in order to get enough space for future edits.

-Please don’t reply just for post count, think to edit one of your post before posting.

-As you’re suggesting something new you hadn’t thought before, just edit your first post. Once I see your suggestion and I have added it to the list, edit your “Suggestion-Post” and delete the content of the suggestion [keep the title] unless you think I hadn’t considered the whole thing (in that case, complain on your post, with constructive criticism. Most of the time, if I didn’t consider some points of your suggestion, that’s because they are redundant with some others, or not related with IC² AT ALL.

-If you think your suggestion concerns mainly any specific modder, write it between []. The aim being to create an “Idea Bank”, feel free if you’re a modder to pick one idea up without considering an entire suggestion. As an example for my suggestions, it an be just the Hydrogen Battery, the Particle Collider or the Coal-based generator.

-If you think I hadn’t look at your post and didn’t considered adding it to the list, please think I’m not logged all the time ^^.

-I’m not going to do anything *except flaming you* if you don’t follow these rules, because I can’t do anything, but … be nice . Feel free to correct my English (^^). I hope this thread will be useful .

[GregoriusT(the whole thing), DrCeph (the Oil Industry Part), Fallen Beast (the Fuel-based Generators part), any other developer]:

Notice than exploits are possible with what I suggest, but it would be stupid using it: using Massfabs (for digger) or greengens (for Coal-based Generator) would be smarter.

OIL
INDUSTRY:

How to find it ?

There are a
few types of Oil:

The first one is the one from BC. It can be used to get energy, plastics (à Rubber) and some gas.

Then come a few others, which spawn in Sand /Sandstone/Stone [but nonrenewable] that you can harvest only by using the Advanced Miner: Shale Gas (can be found in any stone if it can help for coding, [using proper device, and with probabilities], gives Methane, Hydrogen, Petrol, Kerozene, and is pretty rare), Heavy Bituminous (sand/sandstone/soulsand(extremely common in soulsand, what makes the nether a Oil Source, gives Tar, Heavy Fuel, Plastic, Petrol, Kerozene, Diesel).

How to harvest these Oils? With the Advanced Miner.

ADVANCED MINER[Belong to OIL INDUSTRY]:

-Catalyzer:
These are chemical products such as acid used to weaken stone, ores and others … One Catalyzer cells can be made out of: 1 Water cells + 1 Redstone + 1 Sulfur[If a mod adding sulfur is installed]/1 Water cells in a Chemical Filter[described in the Generator Part).

Refinery [Belong to OIL INDUSTRY]:
The structure: The Refinery is made out of Reinforced Tank (4 Reinforced Glass + 4 Advanced Alloyà 4 Reinforced Tank)[RC tanks could also be used], 1 Heater and Compressing Pipe(s) + Extracting Pipe(s) + Heating Pipe + Machine/Advanced Machine Block. The Heater must be placed at the bottom of the structure (with 8 Machine/Advanced Machine(/Machine Casing if GregTech is used), with from 1 to 6 layer of 9 (because the base is a 3*3 structure) Reinforced Tank. On the first layer, a Heating Pipe has to be used. As for the second, third and fourth layer, Extracting Pipes must be used. The 6th and the 7th will needs Compressing Pipes. Each [Processing] Pipe will increase the EU-Consumption by 3EU/t, but will also generate another byproduct (using several pipes by layer won’t increase the amount of byproducts got ^^). The EU-Consumption will be of 20 EU/t (with Machines) 30EU/t (with Advanced Machines) + 21 EU (if all Pipes are used, and thinking it would be stupid not to use any layers, even because of a lack of resources, I assume it could be coded as only one structure, working only as the whole thing is done.)

Also notice that the refinery, which is harder to use than BC one (due to its price, the time it needs for each process etc …) is considered as a more advanced one than the one introduced by BC (at least by me ^^).

Chance of getting byproducts:

Generators [Belong to OIL INDUSTRY]:

Vehicles[linked with OIL INDUSTRY, mostly designed for GregTech (needs some metals more)]:
Vehicles
are awesome-endgame-means to mine, harvest agriculture products, mine or build. Takes care of the fact these aren’t meant to be used with addons/mods such as Computer Craft, because they would be clearly UP. They are meant to be advanced-expensive devices more efficient than tools way, but they are also a good way to create some real economy on servers, and adding some “realism”. I mean that the fact they need a lot of infrastructure to works properly (roads for faster travelling and decreasing energy consumption, huge refinery to refuel them, entire factory dedicated to their creation etc …).

Assembling:
Creating a vehicle is a complex process.
To do it, you’ll need to:
-Create the Hull. It can be a small, medium, or big one. The bigger, the more device it can bring. Hulls are made out of Refined Iron, Advanced Alloy and others … see [HULL].
-Craft the devices you want it to use: these are pieces needed to craft any specific vehicle. Some are shared between vehicles (Tank for example), some aren’t (Drill Head).
-Craft the motor. See [Motor and Power].

-Assemble the whole thing using the Assembling Chain.
This is a multi-block structure made with Machine/Advanced Machine/Machine Casing [GregTech]. It’s used to create the Hull (it has a GUI with a special (maybe extended) crafting grid, in the one you place pieces you want as for crafting, but it will take time (from 2 hours for the small Tier I Hull to 12 hours for the biggest one) and EU (from 32 to 2048EU/t) but also to assemble hull and others pieces together. VEHICLE CAN’T BE DISMOUNTED. They can only move and if you want to, placed into

Hull: There are 3 size of Hull and 3 Tier for each.
Tier I Hull are made out of Refined Iron and Advanced Alloy (and Aluminum or similar metals if Gregtech/mod adding metal is installed), Tier II are made out of Steel [GregTech/RailCraft], Advanced Alloy, Carbon Plate, and Titanium [GregTech]. Tier III are made out of Titanium, Chrome, Tungsten, Iridium Plate. Numbers depends on the size: Small Tier I Hull is made of about 240 Refined Iron, 40 Advanced Plate (100 Aluminum). Medium is three time as expensive and Big is 15 times as expensive. Hulls also needs Circuits, Advanced Circuits and others for computing, energy control etc …

Vehicle Devices:

The only important things is that Drill Head (for the Miner) has to be expensive (4 Iridium Plate and some diamonds should be enough) and others not (the Hull is very often the most expensive part, the Motor being the second). Every Machine device are made out of Steel/Refined Iron and Advanced Alloy/more Hayo-ish metals. (except for the Builder devices).

Vehicles: Here is the description of every vehicle.
[spoiler]Miner: This one is probably the most useful. It is able to dig a 5*5 area (speed depend on motor and fuel used, also notice that it will mine only while you’re leftclicking, what makes you able not to waste energy while you’re just moving) while moving forward. As for Ore mining, it contains an internal Mining Laser (used by rightclicking) and a powerful Attractive Field to catch all these loots. Miner can mine from 1 layer (5*5=25 blocks) every 5 second to 2 layer per second. It can move up to 7.5 block a second (on roads). To craft it, you’ll need a Big Hull, a Drill Head, a Motor, an Attractive Field, a Medium Tank (can store 72 stack by itself) and a Mining Laser. Needs at least Petrol, Kerosen, Hydrogen or some more advanced fuels to run (EU could also be used, but with an even more advanced motor … sadly)

Digger: This vehicle is similar to the Miner, but only working on Sand, Gravel, Dirt, Grass and others “weak” materials from mods/addon. Although, it is useful for this specific task, because it can dig a 3*3/5*5/7*7 (depending on the Hull size) area, quicker than the Miner (from 1 layer every 3 second to 3 layer per second). It’s also lower energy-consuming, cheaper and have a very little chance of dropping some rare loots from Sand [Several Metal Dust, 0.01% per block], Gravel [Diamond and Gems, 0.001% per block], and Dirt/Grass [Empty cells, RE-battery and others random waste, be creative ^^]. You’ll need to craft it a Small/Medium/Big Hull with the corresponding Tank (36/72/108 stack), a “Digging Machine” and a Motor. Can run on any fuel.

Woodcutter: Can harvest Wood, Sapplings, Apple and Resin (0.5 per Rubber log, 0.1 per Rubber leaves) in front of it (21 blocks large). Will also generate some Plantcumps as byproducts. Can run on any fuel.

Harvester: Used for MASSIVE-Agriculture: will harvest wheat/pumpkins/melon/what you want and will generate plantcumps as byproducts. Can run on any fuel.

Builder: Used to create roads (its integrated Tar Heater will allow you to save Tar to build even longer roads.) (from 4 to 8 large). Has also the ability to use Construction Foam to create a wall behind you, with a configurable size (from 1*1 to 5[large]*8[High]). Can run on any fuel.

If you’re tired of using this non-renewable ressources (except for hydrogen, but it’s also dramatically unefficient [because it’s BURNED] in terms of EU used to get it vs what you could do with those EU with our newest products ^^), you should use our Hayo-ish Electrical Motors:

At first, you should know that MFSU or similar storage units can’t be used by Vehicles. Why ? Because such systems aren’t resistant enough! (^^) That’s why you’ll have to use different storage solutions. The Small Electrical Motor (the engine parts is made out of Copper, Lead, Aluminum, Tin, Refined Iron and again copper, copper and copper ^^) will just needs tons(between of RE-Battery to be crafted (that’s even more tin and copper ^^). But due to energy losses during transmission, process … almost always in fact, it is only able to store up to 2 000 000 EU, which will be consumed in … about 15 min (120 EU/t at max speed). The Medium Electrical Motor is made of 1 Small Electrical Engine, but also Carbon Plate (15-20), Aluminum, even more Copper, Lead and Titanium. The Energy-Storage parts is a Lithium Battery. It needs about 100 Lithium Battery ^^. This motor runs on EU (max 300EU/t) and will run at full usage for about 30 minutes (Energy storage= 12 000 000 EU). This engine is about half powerful as the Diesel one.
The Big Electrical Motor is even more advanced. You’ll need to craft it: 2 Medium Electrical Motor, some Carbon Plates, Titanium more, but also some Iridium Plates, Chrome Ingot and Tungsten Ingot. For its energy storage parts, it will needs some Hayo-ish Ionic Hydrogen Battery (about 30). These are made out of 1 Hydrogen Cell, 1 Oxygen Cell, 4 Platinum Ingot (Gold would be enough for lowest Tier tools, if you’re not using GregTech), 2 Advanced Circuits and one Carbon Plate. This awesome piece of technology is used to craft the Big Electrical Engine but can also store in itself up to 1 000 000 EU, and can be charged/discharged in any storage device (even your miner![the machine]).
You could even be able to make an Hydrogen Pack with it (6 000 000 EU, unless it’s already based on a lower Tier Energy Pack). That’s why the Big Electrical Motor (using at full usage 1024 EU/t) can store up to 45 000 000 EU, which will allow you to run your Miner [I’m here talking about the vehicle ^^] (yes, it works!) for 35 minutes as fast as if you were using … a Diesel Motor.

Then … if you think your vehicle aren’t powerful enough … use our Hayo-ish Nuclear-Powered-Motor! It’s not that expensive, you’ll just needs 2 Nuclear Reactors, 10 Chambers, a lot of Advanced Alloy and some extra Ingots … But with that you’ll got 2 times the speed/effectiveness of a Kerosene-based Vehicle! And you will consume 1 Uranium cells per minute. Sadly, due to radiation resistance, the only compatible Hull is the Big one.

What? You want something even more powerful, awesome and high-tech than the Nuclear-Powered-Motor? You’re really mad man! But … we knew that. That’s why we created the Anti-Matter Engine!

The Anti-Matter Engine is REALLY expensive: it needs Chrome, Titanium, Tungsten, Iridium Plates, Very-Advanced Machine, entire computer instead of Circuits … and is only compatible with the Protonium Hull. With that, you’ll be 4 times faster than with a Nuclear-Powered-Motor! What? Protonium ? You don’t know what is that ? And you don’t know how to create the Antimatter that your Motor will consume? Well, you should try our Better-than-the-LHC Particle Collider! (and you won’t need to be in France/Swiss with this f***ing old-stupid-dirty French guys living the Middle Age … [WTF ? I’m also French? I might have forgotten ^^]).

Particle Collider (can be a part of any addon adding
endgame-better-than-quantum-stuff):

Multi-Block Structure: The Particle Collider is a Multi-Block structure: It needs Propulsive Coils, which are very expensive (for GregTech users, even more expensive than Fusion Coil). In the middle, you’ll need a Particle Collector (even more expensive than Propulsive Coil) and some Computer (GregTech Computer Cube could be right). Then, dispose the Propulsive Coils in one long line, with a Particle Collector in the middle. This one can have some Computer on its size, what would make you able to makes some research (if the addon implemented any research-system) on lost particles (by analyzing energy etc.). The Particle Collector will sometime generate some particle in its GUI.

The Particle Collider works by launching 2 items one against the other at a very high speed. The collected particles (and the analyzed particles for the one lost) depends on its speed, which is depending on the energy drained by the Particle Collider [chose where the input has to be done]).

How to increase this consumption? By adding more Propulsive Coils!

Each Propulsive Coil will increase the energy/particle by 10 MeV … and the energy consumed per tick by 128EU/t … knowing that each “launch” will last 10 sec.
You need something even more powerful than Propulsive Coil (because there is a 20 blocks limit) ? Use our incredible Advanced version of the Propulsive Coil (wich is about 40 times more expensive)

Particle Generation Tab (may be, or should be random) [this isn’t “realist”, as an example generating matter actually needs 511MeV]:
40 MeV:
Iridium ore from Tungsten/Lithium [GregTech]. That is currently a very cheap way to generate Iridium ore, and has to be slightly more expensive if you’re using the GregTech UUM basic config.
--Nothing here for the time being. To be completed--
80 MeV: 1 Neutronium out of 2 QuarkCells (and 1 redstone, for differenciation, officialy for "bringing electrons" [yep, this isn't respectful of science ^^])
120 MeV: 1 Protonium out of 2 QuarkCells


400 MeV: 1 AntiQuarkCell and 1 QuarkCell. THIS IS NOT EQUAL TO UUM! UUM is actually made out of atoms found in the air/scrap, but not out of nothing except energy. (Well, our machine technically create matter out of energy only but ... to generate enough particles to be collected, you'll need UUM ... 2 UUM can generate 2 AntiQuarkCells and 2 QuarkCells).

So, what to do with these all new Ultra-expensive products ? There's a lot of stuff to do with!
Let's go with some examples:
-Protonium has the amazing ability to link itself with others protonium atoms (this isn't only creating chemical links, but also nuclear !). That's why it can be used as an Almost-Indesctrutible-Metal, as an example for Tier IV Hull (vehicles) and why not, for an awesome armor, even better than Nanites-based armor, gravisuit or whatyouwant!
-Neutronium can be very useful as a components, but it has also the incredible ability to boost up your Nuclear Reactor! Why ? How ? By sending TONS of neutrons to these Uranium/Plutonium/Thorium/whatyouwant nucleus, that makes us produce 12 times more energy, with only one Neutronium Cell in your Reactor!!! (That will also generate A LOT of Heat, but, who cares ? This is Awesome!)


AntiQuarkCells and QuarkCells are used to generate Neutronium and Protonium, but also to create some Hayo-ish Energy Storage units (2 AntiQuarkCells, 2 QC, on Lapotron Crystal/something more advanced like a LapotronicEnergyOrb, + 4 Protonium ...)
Last but not least, AQC and QC could be used as some VERY-Advanced Electrolyzer Cells ... able to store up to 10 0000 EU, stackable ...

Pay attention to the fact Antimatter and Matter being very expensive/dangerous, cells used to contains it are "ForceFieldCells" wich are a bit more expensive ... except if you consider Steve can carry Lava in its IRON bucket

"The Computer Aided Keratin Edible Device(C.A.K.E. Device for short)".
The Idea: making a machine that would provide some foods from EU, time. Sadly, it may be possible that the food generated cause you some negative effects (i.e. like rotten flesh, but with small chance, so more like chicken).
It could also get improved by adding some new components in a slot for the machine, with compatibility for Forestry stuff as an example. Some more expensive components may also be used to makes it act as a potion (but fortunately, getting ores and I don't know what ever is not such a pain than getting Vanilla-Potions components), but it may be random.
Sorts of half-Industrial potion, Half industrial way to get food when you really need it.