It's added by AE2, not EE3, so it's designed to be learn able so you can use EMC to make everything in the mod. Lazy devs = lazy gameplay
pahimar deliberately added the possibility to make each and every item in the game impossible to pull out of the transmutation table, the list of those items can be edited by say, server owners or players who don't want dupes in the game. that is what i meant. does nobody here watch forgecraft? they talked about the stuff in EE3 there.
pahimar deliberately added the possibility to make each and every item in the game impossible to pull out of the transmutation table, the list of those items can be edited by say, server owners or players who don't want dupes in the game. that is what i meant. does nobody here watch forgecraft? they talked about the stuff in EE3 there.
I am watching forge craft way to much... And yeah i know that but i do not mention that because EE3 is still under dev soo...
pahimar deliberately added the possibility to make each and every item in the game impossible to pull out of the transmutation table, the list of those items can be edited by say, server owners or players who don't want dupes in the game. that is what i meant. does nobody here watch forgecraft? they talked about the stuff in EE3 there.
Yeah, but that's not how it works by default. I never understand why you'd add a mod like EE3 and then nerf it to irrelevance.
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or make silicon unlearnable, like ores. that's a possibility, too.
It's added by AE2, not EE3, so it's designed to be learn able so you can use EMC to make everything in the mod. Lazy devs = lazy gameplay
pahimar deliberately added the possibility to make each and every item in the game impossible to pull out of the transmutation table, the list of those items can be edited by say, server owners or players who don't want dupes in the game. that is what i meant. does nobody here watch forgecraft? they talked about the stuff in EE3 there.
Yeah, but that's not how it works by default. I never understand why you'd add a mod like EE3 and then nerf it to irrelevance.
it's not "nerfing it to irrelevance" it's "fixing all the dupes", who were the major complaint with EE2. Pahimar added these options because he knew he couldn't fix all dupes with all mods.
EDIT: somebody gotta do something about those quotes.
There's no point adding an EMC value to it just to not be able to use it. I'd only have an EMC value of 1 anyway, as that's how much sand has.
There's no point adding an EMC value to it just to not be able to use it. I'd only have an EMC value of 1 anyway, as that's how much sand has.
the mechanic is that you can't take it OUT of the transmutation table, you can still put it IN though. pahimar did that for ores, so there would be no free ore doubling-quintupling, depending upon the mods installed, but you could still use it as a form of furnace, even though it's wasteful with oredoubling mods installed.
The EMC value was added so you could take it out though. Just because Thermal Expansion goes and breaks things doesn't mean silicon needs to be nerfed any more than lowering it's EMC value.
uhm, that's the opposite of nerfing, but meh. it makes more sense to remove the recipe though, that's true.
EDIT: or make it so that you have to pulverize the sand beforehand, giving no output but one -insertwhateverplaceholderitemhere- as a secondary output of 1/256 with no possibilities to modify it.
Stopping you from learning silicon is definitely more of a nerf than just fixing the EMC value to match the sand it's made from. EE3 is still being fixed to work out things like that automatically though, so I'm sure it'll be worked out to prevent it happening in the future.
the whole reason I'm complaining is that silicon, which is (in AE2), if i recall correctly, made from quartz, has an EMC value of 1 then, which would be.. a bit to low i think. i think it's supposed to be harder to get than that. i don't recall all the recipes right now, but I'm pretty darn sure that AE2 silicon is NOT supposed to literally be cheap as dirt. enderio has a recipe to turn sand into silicon, btu that has something inbetween a 1/4 and a 1/12 chance(don't recall it right now).
The point is it's Thermal Expansion adding the recipe, so the only way to avoid an EMC exploit is to drop it's to 1 EMC. At least EnderIO has a random chance, TE's is 100%.
GregTech manages to block a crapton of recipes from a gazillion of different mods. it shoudln't be hard for EE to block that particular one. for that matter, AE2 silicon and EnderIO silicon shouldn't be registered with the same name in the OreDictionary, that would solve the issue.
No it wouldn't, EnderIO by default overrides the AE2 recipe, so unless you change the config option you won't even have the old recipe. Not to mention, it's still overriding the item, so EnderIO doesn't add it's own silicon with AE2.
How about we assign the EMC value of 1 to everything, so there may be EMC loops, but they won't be that OP, since you have to do it often to get a lot of EMC out of it? (Except for the fact that you can turn dirt into diamonds then.
my whole point is that AE2 silicon requires quartz, not FRICKIN SAND, and that, if anything, these darn recipes of OPness should be removed for AE2 silicon. might be balanced with enderio silicon, not with AE2 silicon.
But enderio is right in sand is quarz. Thats why it is called quarzsand... But it is not 100% it is only 10% or so.
It's Thermal Expansion that's in the wrong, as usual, making it a 100% drop.
I'm not talking realism here, but balance. in AE2, you're supposed to get silicon from quartz, in enderio you get it from sand(and clay, if i recall correctly), so it shouldn't be registered as the same.
No, I totally agree, but that's on AE2's back letting EnderIO do it more than it is EnderIO doing it in the first place.
Well we will see how things work^^"
