Advanced Machines: 1.23 UPDATES linked here and new ideas

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Is this addon still working for 1.337b?

It is - at least, I'm successfully using Arsenic's fix.

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Here's the problem, and why I think this is worthwhile. Firstly, let's assume that zip never returns. I can see different, easier (to me) ways to write code that does a similar thing. As IC2, and BC and other stuff (like MCF) moves forward, it's going to get harder to make sure that this mod continues to work. If I want to be in this for the long haul, I want something that's going to be easy for me (or someone I hand it to) to maintain. I think if it's a reimagining of the whole suite of work, and just overlaps a bit with Zip's ideas, certainly inspired by Zip's ideas but still, unique enough to be different, then that makes me happy to make the effort.

I understand that and I'm OK with it... as long as it doesn't mean my current machines are deleted from the world and I have to build them all over again. But I agree with Creepig - The functionality of the machines as they currently stand is perfectly fine with me - I don't need more crazy machines with wild features, I'm content to have machines that simply operate like the Induction Furnace - they heat up as they perform more work and can be redstoned to stay warm.

It's understandable that you feel it is necessary to rebuild the add-on with your own code - but I don't think Zippinus is going to accuse you of "stealing" if the machines continue to work as they have. If he comes back and picks up where he left off, great - if not, I don't expect he'll take issue to you doing it your own way.

Hmm, well yea, zip has been away and community really wants those machines, so I think its ok for you to like try to rebuild it. Afterall, well the idea of the mod will be always zip's

Never mind.

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this is a graght idea anny upgrage the the is a good 1 becus its my fatret mushean

sarry for bpelling

That means: This is a great idea. Anny uprade to the is a good one, because it is my favorite machine.

Sorry for spelling

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Update for everyone. Thanks very much for the ideas. This is a little side project for me, I will be hanging around, but I do have a day job (for which I write Java code, busman's holiday anyone ) so I won't be turning around addons at speed.

I think I will be creating a new addon, because I really don't want to steal zipp's work. However, it will contain "tier 2" and "tier 3" machines. Partly I'll do this because all I have of Zipp's code is decompiled, so it's not the prettiest stuff. I have a couple of ways I want to make things better so it's probably easier to start from scratch, metaphorically.

Give me a week or so.

By the way, looking for names, I noticed that what we've called Macerators in IC2 are probably more properly called crushers or mills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_mill). Macerators are actually things that chew, like your mouth

So here's what I think:
We have tier 1:
Elec furnace; Macerator; Compressor; Extractor; Recycler
Tier 2 is going to be (my additions in red):
Ind. furnace; ball mill (upgraded macerator); power compressor (upgraded compressor); hydraulic extractor; dust recycler
Tier 3 will be:
Blast furnace; rotary ball mill; power compactor (t3 compressor); vacuum extractor; magnetic recycler

Tier 2 items will be slightly less powerful than the Adv Machine versions (except furnace of course); they will spin up and for extractor; compressor and ball mill will generate small amounts of "dust" randomly as a side effect for feeding into the dust recycler (for more predictable scrap). (Expect 1 dust from a stack of ore or something similar, not meant to really replace anything current, just a little "benefit").

Tier 3 will be able to process many items simultaneously (blast furnace up to say, six; similar for the others) as well as more reliable "dust" generation for the recycler. The recycler "magnetically" separates the dust so there's a small chance for "small pile of iron dust" from dust gathering, is my thought (as well as usual scrap).

Dust mechanisms will be as outlined above: adv recyclers "collect" accumulated dust from machines nearby for processing, but only when powered. T2 machines will not be as good for range or maximal accumulation as T3, obviously. An interesting side effect of this mechanism is the idea of "clogging". If a machine becomes "full" of dust, it no longer works very well. Probably a real problem for efficient T3 set ups

Tier 3 spinup will be slow, and you won't be able to turn them off and on on demand though- once you turn them off they remain "hot" for some period (maybe an MC day) and can't be reactivated without exploding. Also, they process nothing until they hit power, and will probably draw 5-10 eu/t to remain idle.

What do you think?

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I must say your ideas are great- the three tire system is nice - I really have nothing to add to it,its perfect for me, i want to know how you plan on releasing this mod though - the solar panels are the best part of this mod for my small run-from home server for me and my friends - They really keep the usage of the mods data low. I wanted to know if you were going to release it in 2 parts.. Under the names Advanced Machines, and Advanced Solar Collectors- This would be the best release method in my opinion - your feedback?

Also sorry for the clutter of this post, sort of scatter brained atm.