Comments on attitude towards 'Update Requests'...

I have lightly covered this in other conversations headhunter but to state it bluntly, your attitude sucks and any of the positive contributions to you may contribute to the MC community are quickly over powered by your D-baggery. You are not encouraging participation, you are discouraging it. Contrast to the Direwolf and it's pretty plain, Direwolf often says "Hey that's awesome" You pretty much imply everyone else is an idiot. Not helpful at all.

It's completely understandable that people would want updates to thier favorite mod. it's also completely understandable that they may have expectations that it would be released by now for 1.0. It's not like no one knew it was coming and they didn't release several PRs to get mod authors the chance to see what was coming. I was pretty surprised frankly that 1.337 came out and it was just a bug fix, feature release. Spending a few minutes to explain why things are helps a lot and just popping off with "Your an idiot go back and re read the last 26 pages like I had to." just pisses people off.

That is unless of course you just want to create a community of elitist a-holes who circle jerk about how great they are and how the rest of the world is filled with idiots.

Yeah it's frustrating to say the same thing over and over. But if you thing just banning people is going to change that you are mistaken. But if you spend a bit of effort to explain why It's a pain to update things people might start to educate others. Most the time not but 1 in 20 will.

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I guess you couldn't contend with my points, so your only resort was a personal attack.. And you call me a douchebag...
I presume you feel free to be "Blunt" here because you know a post like yours would get you at least a warning on the Minecraft forums. So now you'll get to see just how forgiving the moderators are here by comparison.
Be thankful that you're free to talk like you do... and wait until it sinks in that your behavior is no different than that which you scorn.

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It's not like no one knew it was coming and they didn't release several PRs to get mod authors the chance to see what was coming. I was pretty surprised frankly that 1.337 came out and it was just a bug fix, feature release.

So it sounds like you think it ought to be out for 1.0 by now? And by "ought", you mean you're "owed" it? That there can be no reasonable explanation for the delay - and if there is, you're OWED an explanation?

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That is unless of course you just want to create a community of elitist a-holes who circle jerk about how great they are and how the rest of the world is filled with idiots.

I've found that "elitist" is a term only used by people who don't like the fact that they're not as smart as other people. See, someone who has some common sense and makes a little bit of effort finds the answers are already there to be had. It's the lazy, the ignorant, and the self-entitled who just waltz in and ask the same question that's been answered over and over rather than taking a moment to do some research. Basically, that's an attitude that says "My time is more valuable than yours, and I can't be bothered, so you do it for me". Want to tell me why it's wrong to feel I'm better than that?

I'll point out that fully half of all people have an IQ of 100 or less - so it's simply a statistical fact to say "Most people are stupid". If it makes me "elitist" to say so, I'll note that at least I'm in better company.

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But if you thing just banning people is going to change that you are mistaken. But if you spend a bit of effort to explain why It's a pain to update things people might start to educate others.

We've already explained why it's a good policy, but that hasn't seemed to "educate" you. Then again, by your own admission, there was a 95% chance that it wouldn't.

Oh, absolutely. I think there's an impression that I treat everyone the same way - and that's hardly true. I'm very helpful to people unless they start with an attitude (in which case I'm merely trying to speak their language) or if it's clear they haven't made any effort on their own part (in which case, why should I?)

So those who think I'm not "nice" enough generally aren't nice themselves, and/or not particularly smart, either. To them, I say: "I'll try being nicer, if you try being smarter"

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Truth is, when the majority of people ARE idiots in the MC (and MCF) community, you have to cater your rules to them. Intelligent people will understand the reasoning and just ignore the severity of it.

The truth is most of the people on the MC Forums and Community are are kids.

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Bein a kid or under-age isn't an issue.
I've seen "kids" who are fine people, the only issue being there squeaky voice, not any sort of immature behavior.

However, behaving like a moron is kinda an issue, regardless of age, though ADMITTEDLY, younger person tend to hit this issue more often ^^'

After going to the convention I can say from a first hand perspective that there are few (very few) brilliant 12 year olds there doing some really cool stuff and a whole bunch of kids that just need to grow up. Keep in mind MC is a kids game with grown up concepts that only show up if you look for them. A lot of the moron behavior are just kids that don't know better.

I try to remember they are true newbies not the old tards I am used to in most forums, even if there are similarities sometimes.

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Wow.

Firstly, I agree with the OP a bit. Do I care if the mod has a release date? Nope. Would it make my life easier? Yup. Do I think people should be permanently banned for asking? Nope. That is harsh. No matter your perspective, being banned for asking a question is harsh.

THAT aside, though, I'm really posting to comment on Headhunter's attitude. It's astonishingly horrid. Where the OP was asking for factual information and debate, headhunter came in with accusations and insults, though subtle. This is very much something that could have been avoided.

In debate you don't accuse your opponents, you counter them with information.

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Great job on the mod, alblaka. I can't wait to try out the new version!

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THAT aside, though, I'm really posting to comment on Headhunter's attitude. It's astonishingly horrid. Where the OP was asking for factual information and debate, headhunter came in with accusations and insults, though subtle. This is very much something that could have been avoided.

In debate you don't accuse your opponents, you counter them with information.

So... practice what you preach? I love the people who come in here and take digs at me while behaving in the same way they criticize.

Why don't you go back and take a look at my first response - it's pretty rational and addresses each individual concern - while observing that the OP's "attitude" (like yours and Makhra's before) are no different than the ones you are criticizing. Approaching a "concern" with an obvious chip on your shoulder is going to get a less-than-pleasant response.

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I'll take this opportunity to pipe back in before the thread finally goes far enough to outlive it's usefulness

It never was useful in the first place... but now, it's a moot point.

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Or you can stop feeling obligated to reply to EVERY SINGLE 'OMG when is this 1.0.0?' spam posted... *You* don't HAVE to reply.

They don't have to post, either - and they wouldn't if they took the time to even read one sticky.
See, if they take a moment to realize they shouldn't (and don't have to post), no one needs to reply... see how that works?

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Have fun with 1.0.0, I think I'm gonna keep sitting at 1.8.1 with my uncraftable telepipes for awhile.

I am having fun with 1.0... in case you hadn't noticed, IC2 for 1.0 is out already. As for teleport pipes, that's been updated to 1.0 as well, if you look around the MCF mod forum a bit.

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Anyway... moving on... Now with the benefit of hindsight... What if... Waaaaayyyy back when.... two whole MONTHS ago, when MC 1.0.0 was released... Alblaka had made a sticky announcement thread stating something to the effect of '...Yeah... We know 1.0.0 is out- However, we will first be looking to finish our current 'bug release fix' for 1.8.1. Soon after that I(we) will have personal obligations that I(we) must attend that will keep me(us) well occupied for some time. For this reason please do not expect a 1.0.0 IC² until 2012.'

You just don't understand it do you? If Al would have posted that very information and had no ban rules asking for release dates then this would be a possible outcome:

-"So when is the first bug release fix for 1.8.1 coming out?"
-"When are you done with your personal life? I want my money's worth out of you, get back to making IC2!"
-"Where are you Alblaka? We need our IndustrialCrack!"
-" It's Dec 24th, my family hates me so i am in my basement playing MC and i want IC2 for MC 1.0.0 now. It's Christmas, COME OOOOON! PLEAAAAASASASUFIUASIUFHA!"
-"Hey, there's only one day left on 2011 and you PROMISED you would have IC2 for MC 1.0.0 released before 2012!!!!111!!!11!11!" (See what i did there? I turned a "don't expect" to "we will" because that's what people do!)
-"OMG, Alblaka has abandoned us. I am uninstalling IC2 and i will post hate messages all over the MCF and the internets telling others how horrible Alblaka is. He said we would have a release in 2012 and it's Jan 1st 2012 and there is no release to be found!"

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Then you get the few odd people who reply with "But IC2 for MC 1.0.0 isn't even out yet" to posts that say something along the lines of "With IC2 for 1.0.0 out, can we expect all the addons to be updated in 24 hours because i totally would cancel my trip to the bahamas to update an addon so some pimply little teenager can play his precious minecraft for 3 hours..."

Though, the possibility of ALL that happening exactly as described is very slim so just take that with a grain of salt. But it is related to what happens in reality when some developer makes or even hints a release date and people turn it into something completely different and promise to murder them when the release date has passed. (Yes, that has happened too!)

The sad thing, Cadde, is that when we try to point out the historical outcomes of such things, we're the ones with the wrong attitude. Did we wake up in Bizarro World or something?

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The sad thing, Cadde, is that when we try to point out the historical outcomes of such things, we're the ones with the wrong attitude. Did we wake up in Bizarro World or something?

Nah, it's just that the faster your internet connection. The more weird stuff you are exposed to in a shorter time frame. Eventually it wears you down unless you learn to shield yourself from it. What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger! (And angrier)

So many letters wasted and wasted and wasted about something that doesnt matter for the mod itself. Let's be patient for all we get, its free, its high quality and above all its so much fun, stop taking yourself so goddamn serious people. Hell if ablaka decides to eat little kittens to get this mod out, so be it! Onwards with the baby cats!

Why dont we join hands, and let the gibble get away from us. Set a nuke on fire and dance around it until it blows up.

By the time you guys wrote you could have mined 232 Iron, 128 Redstone, 10 Diamonds, Shaved a sheep, Milked a cow, breed it into a Show and call yourself Dr. Frankenstein.

Now get the fuck back to the game.

THIS :3 - Alblaka