Optics cables

    Do you think this would be a good addition to IndustrialCraft??? 10

    1. Sounds good!!! (6) 60%
    2. This would suck. (6) 60%

    Hello minecrafters, what I have here is a suggestion I made last summer to the wrong fourm. I posted here: "http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1134583-alblakas-mod-shop/page__st__100". Keep in mind I wrote this thinking that Alblaka was serious about the whole space dimension. Enjoy/Comment/Show Alblaka!!! :D


    EDIT: A translation has been made:"Optics cables ". It conveys the information better. If anyone's wondering about my bad formatting it's because I copied
    this from another site I posted on. Also this is my first post.


    EDIT: The translation was made by Thepowdertoy +Bleach.


    [quote name='Laff70' timestamp='1342327757' post='16511105']
    You know
    you could just maybe have the dimension be filled with a 100% clear
    block that doesn't affect your movement but it just makes you unable to
    breath. Also you could add some sort of density core(Not a black hole
    though, they cause a lot of movement restrictions and also produce a LOT
    less gravity per mass unit than matter does. Also they tend to eat
    thinks and they can explode if rapidly with super fast, dense pellets of
    hydrogenic metal(It could also technically be considered a plasma
    though.).) powered by EUs. You'd probably have to change the way gravity
    works with sand and gravel. You might also have to make every block an
    entity. Also see if you can get chunks to generate in 16x16x16 chunks
    for better building. Also make block able to be placed at any
    y-level(-1566,2456363576, ect).(If you haven't realized by now I really
    want you to make these "cubic chunks" for all dimensions so bedrock
    won't ever be needed again at the bottom of the maps. Due to the
    addition of ender chests which is a mod I thing the team of minecraft
    will put in other mods too. Also with worlds being able to generate
    infinitely up and down with your mod they won't be able to resist adding
    it to vanilla!!!) Good luck with the gravity!!!


    EDIT: You should
    also add fiber optic cables capable of carrying light like wires carry
    EUs. They should be freestanding and lasers should also be able to come
    out of any split ends(A fiber optic cable attached to only 1 adjacent
    block. The laser would come out of the opposite side to the made
    connection) if enough light is going through it. They should lose one
    unit of light amplitude per every 44 turns(or blocks of optic cables if
    you want to code it this way.). They can only get light from split ends,
    adjacent fiber optic type cables, and light affecting blocks.There
    should also be another cable that emits light to every adjacent block it
    travels if light is going through it, getting dimmer as it goes on
    through the dark called a refraction cable. They lose
    ((amount_of_transparent_adjacent_sides-amount_of_connections)*5*(7-surrounding_light_level))%
    of amplitude of the light going through them per block traveled. This
    has the potential to both gain light in light levels above 7, lose light
    in levels lower than 7 and keep the same amount of light in level 7
    light. It will only emit its light to adjacent transparent(excluding
    Fiber optic type cables) or air blocks. You can also store light in
    optic batteries. They can receive light on 5 sides. They can output
    light on 1 side. It outputs white light into optic cables at level 100.
    If no wire is connected to it on the output side it won't output light.
    If a redstone current is applied it will stop emitting light into a
    cable connected to the output side. If no current is applied and there
    is a optic cable attached to it on its output side then it will emit
    light into it if it has split ends, refraction cables, or has at least 1
    connection to a light affecting block(Optic batteries, refrequenciers,
    reamplifiers, solar panels, optic generators, or the input side of an
    optic diode) that can accept light at the time. A restriction cable is
    just like the optic cable but when redstone current is applied to it no
    light can pass through it. Optic diode blocks have only 1 input and 1
    output. It only lets light go through 1 way. A refrequencier changes the
    frequency of the light going through it to a certain frequency while
    changing to amplitude in relation to the change in frequency. It has 1
    input and 1 output. A reamplifier does the the exact same thing but with
    the amplitude instead. You can connect a optic cable to a Luminator in
    order to convert EU to light. You can then feed light into a Optic
    Generator to convert Light into EU. Optic Generators have an optic input
    and an electrical output. Optic generators can turn all amplitudes and
    frequencies of light into EUs. Frequency receivers emit a redstone
    current when they detect a certain frequency at an amplitude of 1 or
    greater. Fiber optic cables can only make lasers. A refraction cable
    makes fields of light. At any emission level(amplitude) they generate
    fields into transparent, non-optic cable adjacent sides. Lasers and
    fields come in 7 types.


    Radio(0GHz-3GHz)
    Microwaves(3GHz-300GHz)
    Infrared(300GHz-400000GHz)
    Visible(400000GHz-750000GHz)
    Red(400000GHz-484000GHz)
    Orange(484000GHz-508000GHz)
    Yellow(508000GHz-526000GHz)
    Green(526000GHz-606000GHz)
    Blue(606000GHz-668000GHz)
    Violet(668000GHz-789000GHz)
    Ultraviolet(789000GHz-30000000GHz)
    X-Ray(30000000GHz-15000000000GHz)
    Gamma(+15000000000GHz)


    Radio waves just go through things only to send signals to Frequency receivers.
    Microwaves
    make water blocks evaporate if they can go through them. They also make
    mobs and flammable blocks catch on fire at levels 11 and above.
    Infrared waves can cause blindness at level 58
    Visible
    waves just show colors. They can be in the same space as another laser
    or field so you know if it's there or not. They can also be used for
    special effects.
    Ultraviolet waves are the only light frequency that
    can be used to power solar panels(making 1 EU per every 15 levels). They
    also make undead mobs catch on fire.
    X-Rays can make the skeleton of mobs in them show. Can induce the poison effect.
    Gamma
    rays cause rapid damage to entities like if they are near a hot
    reactor. If it can go through a block it can break it. It's kind of like
    what happens when a nuke explodes. It should be overlapped with a
    color(visible waves) laser when used for mining for safety.
    Actually...the laser doesn't retrieve blocks and they could fall into
    lava. It should only be used for death rays.


    A wave's ability to
    go through a block is calculated like this:
    ((18*amplitude)/wave_frequency). This determines a wave's strength. If a
    wave's strength is greater than a block's blast resistance it will go
    through it, however the wave's strength will weaken by the block it just
    passed though's blast resistance. If it's a gamma ray it will break the
    block if it goes through. You can use this formula to find a wave's
    amplitude: ((1/18)*wave_frequency*wave_strength).


    The EU to light wave strength is 1 EU=0.0003375 wave strength.
    All
    vanilla light emitting blocks emit white
    light(red(442000)+green(566000)+blue(637000)=1645000 per level). Thus
    glowstone emits 3 different light colors overlaying to appear white.
    Thus it has a strength of 0.0001641337386. So this you could surround
    glowstone or jack-o-lanterns with refraction cables to generate white
    light and turn that into EUs. You can also turn sunlight into EUs. You
    can even use these cables to capture the gamma radiation released from
    nukes or reactor before and when they explode. Thus they can also be
    used as shields.


    Fiber optic cable recipe:


    --> 48 Fiber optic cables


    Refraction cable recipe:


    --> 48 Refraction cables


    =Glass block for the 2 recipes above
    Restriction cable recipe:


    G R G --> 48 Restriction cables


    G=Glass block
    R=Redstone dust


    Optic Battery recipe:


    M D M
    D R D --> 4 Optic batteries
    M D M


    M=Mirror
    D=Optic diode
    R=Refraction cable


    Mirror recipe:


    T G B --> 1 Mirror


    T=Tin
    G=Glass pane
    B=Blank


    Optic diode recipe:


    B B M
    O M G --> 1 Optic diode
    B B M


    M=Mirror
    G=Glass pane
    O=Optic cable
    B=Blank


    Refrequencier recipe:


    A E A
    O M L --> 2 Refrequenciers


    A=Advanced Alloy
    E=Electronic circuit
    O=Optic cable
    L=Luminator
    M=Machine block


    Reamplifier recipe:


    O M L --> 2 Reamplifiers
    A E A


    A=Advanced Alloy
    E=Electronic circuit
    O=Optic cable
    L=Luminator
    M=Machine block


    Optic Generator recipe:


    T O C
    T G C --> 1 Optic Generator
    T W C


    T=Tin
    O=Optic cable
    G=Generator
    W=Water cell
    C=Insulated Copper Cable


    Frequency Receiver recipe:


    I C I
    C M C --> 1 Frequency receiver
    I R I


    I=Refined Iron
    C=Refraction cable
    M-Machine block
    R=Redstone


    This is just a suggestion for something you should add to Industrial Craft. I think it'd be a lot better.

    First thing, you really should format your posts correctly.


    Secondly: TL; DR.


    Thirdly: WHY DO WE NEED OPTICAL CABLES?

    I just walked past this before, but coming back to it again... I really have no idea what OP is suggesting because I can't really read that. Looks like a nice, detailed suggestion of how something should work, though. It... also looks like a lot to add, and I haven't really found a *purpose* for it while skimming, but that may just be my inability to read it properly. Please, please, try reformatting that post.

    Let me try to translate OP:


    Fiber optic cable:
    Properties:
    It can transfer light like cable does with EU, loss one unit of light energy every 44 blocks (essentially creating another Enet for light, with fiber optic as conductor). They can get light only from split ends, another fiber optics, and light affecting blocks.
    Recipe:
    :Advanced Furnace::Advanced Furnace::Advanced Furnace:


    :Advanced Furnace: = glass


    Uses: Light Enet conductor


    Refractor cable:
    Properties:
    It acts like leaky fiber optic, distributing light to every blocks around it, the formula is ((amount_of_transparent_adjacent_sides-amount_of_connections)*5*(7-surrounding_light_level))%. It can also collect light at light level above 7
    Recipe:
    :Advanced Furnace::Refined Iron::Advanced Furnace:


    :Advanced Furnace: = glass
    :Refined Iron: = sand


    Uses: To light up room (why?? You can just use torches, there is unlimited energy in Minecraft, and the first thing that I think about this is to light up a room that is far away from any windows using sunlight), collect light


    Restriction cable
    Properties:
    Doesn't let light pass if there is redstone signal (light switch)


    Recipe:
    G R G --> 48 Restriction cables


    G=Glass block
    R=Redstone dust
    Uses: none


    Optic diode:
    Properties:
    Only let light pass one way


    Recipe:
    B B M
    O M G --> 1 Optic diode
    B B M


    M=Mirror
    G=Glass pane
    O=Optic cable
    B=Blank


    Uses: none


    Refrequencier:
    Properties:
    Change amplitude to frequency(like transformers, but for light)


    Recipe:
    A E A
    O M L --> 2 Refrequenciers


    A=Advanced Alloy
    E=Electronic circuit
    O=Optic cable
    L=Luminator
    M=Machine block


    Uses: none


    Optic generator
    Properties:
    Change light to electricity at any frequencies (wait, isn't this is just a solar panel? And if that can change light at any frequencies (wavelength), just use it for efficient solar panel instead. And this have the potential to be exploited for infinite power (put refraction cable in a room that is full of glowstone, connect it to optic generator and free energy))


    Recipe:
    T O C
    T G C --> 1 Optic Generator
    T W C


    T=Tin
    O=Optic cable
    G=Generator
    W=Water cell
    C=Insulated Copper Cable


    Uses: Generate EU from light


    Frequency receiver:


    Properties:
    Generate redstone signal when there is a light with the specified frequency


    Recipe:
    I C I
    C M C --> 1 Frequency receiver
    I R I


    I=Refined Iron
    C=Refraction cable
    M-Machine block
    R=Redstone



    Other recipes:


    Mirror recipe:


    T G B --> 1 Mirror


    T=Tin
    G=Glass pane
    B=Blank


    Optic Battery recipe:


    M D M
    D R D --> 4 Optic batteries
    M D M


    M=Mirror
    D=Optic diode
    R=Refraction cable


    (And for OP, usually when we are talking about light, we didn't talk about frequency anymore, we talk about wavelength (like 542 nm laser diode))


    Dota 2 player at SEA server.


    For me nothing is OP. It just a mod for fun and I'm playing it for fun. Unless it created items from nothing. Automining not included, neither do in case of self replicating machine. However GregTech is still good, so:


    GregTech Documentation Task Force Needed!

    Okay, thanks for that translation. Still not really seeing a point to it, but it might be fun as its own mod, independent of IC2. Especially if you could make it actually be good for something aside from light.

    What about an optic fiber that acts kinda like see-though portals, so you can see what is going on in different rooms if you connect the cables to monitors in the rooms.

    GENERATION 27: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the
    generation. Social experiment. MinecraftSkeleton

    IC2 addon, Meh
    On it's own. I would probably try it at least. i'm always looking for decent mods for Shrine Runner


    That is a good translation. I'll tell people to look at your post. Also if anyone's wondering about my bad formatting it's because I copied this from another site I posted on. Also this is my first post. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, my stupid teachers give me too much homework.

    I am given to understand that schools these days put emphasis on participation over actually competing -- along the lines of "It's okay that you didn't win the math competition, at least you tried." Now, I happen to think being 28 years old doesn't make me exceptionally old or wise, but I can see how something like that would warp a young mind to expect gratification and/or pacification (big words!) for just about everything they do.


    Unfortunately, this isn't school, this is the suggestions forum of IC2, where we (ideally) actually look at suggestions, weigh their potential outcome, and share our opinion of whether we think they sound like fun, or not. As far as this suggestion goes, most of the people who responded either don't see a point to it (Quoting T10a: "WHY DO WE NEED OPTICAL CABLES?") or think it should work a different way (Quoting MatLaPatate: "It should more be like a Laser-Energy-Transmission"). Nobody has responded with unequivocal support, possibly because nobody thinks your idea, as stated, has merit. And, as a friend of mine said when I showed him this thread, there are no participation trophies in modding.


    To conclude this possibly unnecessary monologue, let me turn around and ask you a question: why does it matter if people like your idea or not? Ideas are a dime a dozen, everyone has them. And, very much according to Sturgeon's law, ninety percent of everything is crap. This goes tenfold for ideas, so 99% of them are crap. Congratulations, you're in the 99%. So are all the rest of us.

    To add to narc's words, I quoted this from the BTW forums, however, it is slightly harsher.


    See, there's one part I don't agree about in there: if you have a stupid idea once, there's nothing to say the next idea won't be one of the 1% that are, actually, good ideas. Assuming it won't be is falling into the gambler's fallacy, where you assume history has any bearing on the current dice roll (which it doesn't). And, like most things, you get better at evaluating ideas with practice -- so feel free to blurt out everything you think might be a good one, but don't be surprised when you learn your evaluation was wrong.


    I will, however, fully agree that posting ideas for the sake of spamming out text is completely useless -- if you know it's a terrible idea, or you didn't even wonder whether it was a terrible idea in the first place, shut up and go away.

    Quote from Laff70

    Just because you guys don't like my idea doesn't mean it's bad.

    In my time here, I have seen a crapton of suggestions, and, in most cases, when the community does not like an idea, it is generally not a good one.


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    I bet you guys are upset cause all of your ideas fall into the 99%. LOL.

    Nope, I have made 3 suggestions in my time, 1 for the wiki was semi-followed through (used by GregTech and to a much lesser extent by Nuclear Control), 1 for the game was implemented (it was a small suggestion that made sense), and 1 for the crop system was put on the To-Do List (probably won't be implemented for quite some time, if at all, but still better than nothing).


    Right now you are essentially saying the equivalent of "you guys don't like my bread because you fail at cooking bread" while inside a bakery.

    Is the answer to this question no?


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    Hey don't take it so hard. Ignorance is part of this generation it seems. -the wise words of XFmax-o-l

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    Quote from CrafterOfMines57

    In my time here, I have seen a crapton of suggestions, and, in most cases, when the community does not like an idea, it is generally not a good one.


    Nope, I have made 3 suggestions in my time, 1 for the wiki was semi-followed through (used by GregTech and to a much lesser extent by Nuclear Control), 1 for the game was implemented (it was a small suggestion that made sense), and 1 for the crop system was put on the To-Do List (probably won't be implemented for quite some time, if at all, but still better than nothing).


    Right now you are essentially saying the equivalent of "you guys don't like my bread because you fail at cooking bread" while inside a bakery.


    I wasn't talking to you...

    Well, there is one inherent flaw in this suggestion: Why do we need the optics cable in the first place? We already have a powerful cable that conduct electricity at reasonably high efficiency. The only thing that I know that light energy transfer is better than direct electricity link is when we need to beam energy or we need to bring the power through harsh electromagnetic environment (like in MRI) and that as far as I know doesn't exist in Minecraft. How about EMP proof system? If only IC2 dev work together with Calclavia to make the ICBM EMP can fry IC2 stuff... Or give the light some advantage over conventional method of transferring power...


    Dota 2 player at SEA server.


    For me nothing is OP. It just a mod for fun and I'm playing it for fun. Unless it created items from nothing. Automining not included, neither do in case of self replicating machine. However GregTech is still good, so:


    GregTech Documentation Task Force Needed!

    Quote from Laff70

    I wasn't talking to you...

    So, who was you criticizing ? You know by doing it, you've lost 99% of the support you could had have before ... ?
    And as for "you Idea falls into the 99% ...", you should know the type of Idea you suggest has already been suggested many times before, at least by me because it was about 5% of my first thread. Guess in what part you're falling ...


    Soon with Molten Salt Reactors, right ? :D
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