Shall i simplify IHL a little?

Foghrye4 · Apr 13th 2015

Creating set of basic tools in IHL could be very annoying. It seems only JasonMcRay tried that. Peoples use collectors and other old stuff, but nobody ever tries to create IHL wiremill, or i would have recieved much more bugreports . So i decide to start a poll here.
"Workspace concept" means, that by setting, for example, muffle furnace near iron workbench we recieve access to additional recipes, for which we are need to use muffle furnace in process.

Example of crafting for gas welding station:

Chocohead · Apr 13th 2015

At this point I'd say IHL is more complicated than GT6

Foghrye4 · Apr 13th 2015

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At this point I'd say IHL is more complicated than GT6

True. Also true for GT5.
Chocohead, where is your vote?

SpwnX · Apr 13th 2015

My vote is for workstation concept (and go further on GT integration, but I couldn't vote for it)

GregoriusT · Apr 13th 2015

GT Integration and GT Addon are two different things, SpwnX.

And even though I have no Idea how you craft those Tools, I have voted to keep them since they cannot be that expensive.

Foghrye4 · Apr 13th 2015

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And even though I have no Idea how you craft those Tools, I have voted to keep them since they cannot be that expensive.

I add a picture, describing a tech tree for dies for threading.

SpwnX · Apr 13th 2015

That second image clarified things a bit, I've changed my vote.

All those tools and components made me think why GT don't go in a similar way of crafting a machine, requiring more than one or two generic components. That way you're not limited by the 9 item crafting grid. Also tools. GT has enough of them to justify a GT worktable/workstation.

Chocohead · Apr 13th 2015

Personally I'd just like more of the tooltips capitalised, and a little more NEI support for the crucial things (like the bad motor components/parts with the giant length tooltip).

GregoriusT · Apr 13th 2015

The only complaint I could file is that the GUI Slot background Textures (Wrenches and Gears) are darker than the usual background, rather than being lighter, creating the illusion of something being inside the Slot what isn't actually there. When I look at those Slots I almost always see an X shaped something rather than a Stick on a Wrench Slot. So my advice is "make those Slots be less in the foreground and decrease the contrast"

Foghrye4 · Apr 13th 2015

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Personally I'd just like more of the tooltips capitalised

Ehm... you mean "FLUIDIZED BED REACTOR" istead of "Fluidized bed reactor"? Or you mean "Silicon dust" instead of "dustSilicon.name"?

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more NEI support for the crucial things (like the bad motor components/parts with the giant length tooltip).

It is NEI support for casting components. It was made in 0.534, removed 0.537 and added in 0.538 again. It's not a target of a poll, i will do localization stuff or NEI support for anything you request anyway.

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So my advice is "make those Slots be less in the foreground and decrease the contrast"

Will do, thank for advice.

Chocohead · Apr 13th 2015

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Ehm... you mean "FLUIDIZED BED REACTOR" istead of "Fluidized bed reactor"? Or you mean "Silicon dust" instead of "dustSilicon.name"?

"Fluidized Bed Reactor" and "Silicon Dust". Capitalising the first letter of each word like Minecraft and almost every other mod does it.

Apparently I was running 0.537 not 0.538, so that'd explain the NEI stuff.

Foghrye4 · Apr 13th 2015

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Apparently I was running 0.537 not 0.538, so that'd explain the NEI stuff.

Tell me, if you got any more troubles. I will add more explaining tooltips or something.

Queue · Apr 14th 2015

If you provide good enough documentation or a video, I think it will be fine. The biggest issue with IHL right now is just how complicated it is, period. For people who don't have the time to experiment, getting into IHL can be a hassle. I love the direction you are headed in, though, so I vote to keep it how it is.

Blood Asp · Apr 14th 2015

In my opinion a huge problem is incomplete or sometimes difficult to understand documentaion.
You said no one messed around with the IHL wiremill. The reason might be only very few knew about its exististence or even more important, there is so far no real reason to make it.

The things IHL started with (Handpump, Tunneldrill or drones) where relatively easy to make and had a direct use.
The GT processing chain that produces iridium and osmium is complicated, but the payback is there to motivate many to actualy do that.

Now came the flexible cable stuff and the complicated machines to make them. They might be nice to look at, but so far it's not better than using normal IC2 cables.

So i would say, IHL is not too complicated and should stay like that. Just give some reasons to use it.
I can state 3 ways to do that:
1. Make your stuff better like less loss on kables or more output per resource but that is a bad way.
2. Make the easy way inefficient by making default recipes more expensive/less output.
3. Make your way the only way by moving some/all machine recipes from IC2/GT into your system. Might generate some hate...

Foghrye4 · Apr 14th 2015

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You said no one messed around with the IHL wiremill. The reason might be only very few knew about its exististence or even more important, there is so far no real reason to make it.

Sad, but true.

Chocohead · Apr 14th 2015

Even without a video, a visual guide to crafting stuff (a bit like the first post of this thread) is actually really nice to know what is needed.

Also, IHL does generate strange named ores/rocks right?

Foghrye4 · Apr 14th 2015

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Also, IHL does generate strange named ores/rocks right?

Strange?
IHL generates:

Bischofite
Datolite
Stibnite
Chromite
Mica
Bauxite
Cinnabar
RockSalt
Limestone
Gypsum
Gyubnera
Trona
PotassiumFeldspar
Apatite
Saltpeter
Oil
Saltwater

All these are presented IRL.

AlCapella · Apr 14th 2015

Rather than reducing complexity and such, investing in documentation and video tutorials would be lovely, actually. Actually, I would suggest that you stick to documentation, and speak with someone like Vaygrim for your mod guide video. If you ask him nicely, maybe he'll do a really nice video for the mod like he does with the others.

P.S: I am not a big fan of your dance/trance/<I don't know the genre> music overloaded IHL item demos that you put out. Sorry, I do not wish to offend you, but, it might be best to ask someone like Vaygrim or unggod or mr10movie to make the video for you.

EDIT: I would love to use your mod myself, but so many times, the lack of awareness of what would be the best tool for that part of gameplay, has prevented me from using your mod. Luckily, keda has been helpful in kirara on telling me how to use some of your mod items. So, please spend some time with the documentation, and ask someone nicely (vaygrim/moo) to make a mod guide for you?

Chocohead · Apr 14th 2015

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Strange?
IHL generates:

Bischofite

Datolite

Stibnite

Chromite

Mica

Bauxite

Cinnabar

RockSalt

Limestone

Gypsum

Gyubnera

Trona

PotassiumFeldspar

Apatite

Saltpeter

Oil

Saltwater

All these are presented IRL.

I never realised you generated that much. Where to find them I guess would be a start to the documentation, unless they're all found randomly everywhere.

Foghrye4 · Apr 14th 2015

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I never realised you generated that much. Where to find them I guess would be a start to the documentation, unless they're all found randomly everywhere.

All generates more or less randomly, with exception to 2 liquids:
Oil fill underground caverns, if there is block of water or block of air is presented lower, than 4 blocks.
Saltwater replace sand as 1 block thick layer in biomes with humidity=0 and temperature>1.9 (basically in surface of desert biomes).

This reminds me to check, if oil is generated at all.

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