[GT6] Nonotan's Server Planning Thread

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    Hi everyone! I'm not sure if you remember me, I played a lot on the Kirara servers but then disappeared for a while.


    Now that things are a bit more stable in my life, I have some time to play Gregtech again, and was thinking of giving GT6 a go. The GT6 I remember only had the crucible and barely any machinery, but it's grown amazingly since then, thanks to the relentless hard work of Greg and all the players. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a GT6 modpack that had all the things I wanted, so I plan to set one up and hopefully get it rolling by June.


    The modpack will, of course, be GT6-centric. The gameplay experience would emphasize the following points:



    General Balance


    WIP


    Resource Acquisition Balancing


    A common complaint is the absolutely massive amount of resources generated by activities like IC2 crops or Forestry Bees blowing all balance out the window. It often felt as though breeding crops was the real endgame - after all, why mine anything when your swamp farm produces lapotrons with ease?


    Similarly, resource acquisition often became an arms race of auto-miners or quarrying bots. Too often biomes are reduced to precipitous potholes extending to bedrock thanks in no small part to the greed of man.


    Proposed Changes:

    • Crops and Bees will likely be removed, made non-automatable, or be limited to the spawn village where players can claim ownership of a small plot.
    • Auto-mining will likely be restricted to one device per player if any is given at all.
    • Resource costs will be balanced around the quantities reasonably expected for hand mining.
    • Monster drops and TF loot will be improved to encourage exploration.


    Mod List (Check post #11 for current nightly list)


    *Since this is still in the planning stage, the following list will change a lot.


    I'm very open to suggestions and feedback. Please reply if you know some mods that you think should be included!


    Mods that will definitely make it in:


    Core:

    • GregTech 6 - Of course.
    • Realistic Terrain Generation - Best worldgen provider for 1.7.10.
    • Minetweaker and Modtweaker - Essentially required to deliver the functionality.
      • MTUtils - For GT6 compatibility. Thanks to ShumnayaBulka for finding it.
    • Hunger Overhaul for making hunger of a trivial mechanic
      • Spice of Life also likely to be added.

    Server side only:

    • Morpheus - Skipping nights made easy.
    • Opis and FastCraft - To rescue us from TPS dips.
    • Dynmap - GT6 blocks don't render, but at least it's something...
    • Chunk Pregenerator - It's not entirely compatible with RTG but it can partially work.
    • AromaBackup - So we don't lose the world on accident.

    Client side only:

    • NEI and addons for the mods being used.
    • Damage Indicators to help with combat.
    • Smart Moving and dependencies.
    • Schematica, because it's an awesome mod for building.
    • Inventory Tweaks for QoL.
    • Optifine for improved FPS and visual settings.

    Aesthetic & Functional:

    • Bibliocraft and Bibliowoods - Some of its blocks are laggy, so don't spam them!
    • ExtraBiomes XL - Works great after some BiomeTweaker setting.
    • BIomes O'Plenty - Works great after some BiomeTweaker setting.
    • Underground Biomes Constructs - GT worldgen works flawlessly with it.
    • Better Records - Will likely make it, barring compatibility concerns
    • Twilight Forest - Amazing mod, and will be well-integrated with GT in this pack.
    • Chisel - Who could say no to more decorative blocks?
    • Pam's Harvestcraft - Very nice variety of crops and food items. Possibly Spice of Life will be included as well.
    • ZTones - Nice assortment of blocks.
    • Grimoire of Gaia - more mobs to fight, also makes some overworld biomes more dangerous to settle in (e.g. Swamp).
    • Carpenter's Blocks - Don't make your whole base out of these!

    Technology:

    • Applied Energistics and ExtraCells - Logistics Pipes may replace or be used alongside this? Will have to balance.
    • Forestry - Some features may be disabled. Mod engines are no longer used, as GT engines can power these.
    • Railcraft - Who doesn't love rails? Some machines and recipes will be disabled.

    Mods that will likely make it in:

    • Logistics Pipes - Considered as AE replacement or supplement, because it looks cool.
    • GraviSuite - Will likely make it, barring compatibility concerns
    • IC2NuclearControl - Does it still work? It was broken in Kirara when I played.
    • Redlogic - GT seems to achieve a lot of what this mod does, so not sure if I will keep it in.


    Mods that are being considered:

    • IHL - Will need significant work to modify if included.
    • GregsLighting - Mod still alive?
    • Galacticraft - Not everyone used this, so it'll be put to a vote by the prospective players.
    • Thaumcraft - Not everyone liked magic in a tech server, so this'll be put to a vote by the prospective players.
    • MalisisDoors - I didn't see anyone use this, but it looks good.



    Mods that are unlikely to be included:

    • IronChest - GT has its own chests, so it's redundant.
    • CustomChestLoot - I am happy with GT default dungeon loot, and will most likely keep them that way.
    • JABBA - GT has its own barrels, so it's redundant.
    • BuildCraft - Redundant
    • EnderIO - Redundant
    • Tinkers' Construct - Virtually impossible to balance. Redundant with GT mechanics.
    • Custom Ore Generation - Using GT6 Oregen.
    • PFAA (Per Fabrica Ad Astra) - Using GT6 Oregen.
    • Computercraft - Virtually impossible to balance.
    • OpenComputers & Computronics - See above.
    • QwerTech - Crashes on startup.


    Server Technical Details


    The server will likely be located in US East. This minimizes ping for all players in Europe and the continental United States. (Sorry, Kiwis and Australians. Hopefully it'll still be playable.)


    Membership will be via whitelist.


    A secondary Test Server will probably not happen as membership is not very high at the moment, but I will test features before rolling them out to the main server.


    I'd love to hear any comments or feedback about this server idea, so without further ado, let's open discussion!

  • There is a Default Config Pack on the GT6 Download Page, you should take a look at it. ;)


    I so hate how Quote splitting doesnt work anymore on the Forums...


    Underground Biomes Constructs - Aesthetics and breaking the monotony of mining stone.

    Underground Biomes is irrelevant by now, GT6 has its own better Underground Biomes now. You can still install Underground Biomes, but I would turn UBs Worldgen off, because GT6 will generate the UB Rocks with its own Generator when installed.


    Better Records

    This one sounds like something I should add GT6 Shelf compatibility for. Could you link it to me?


    ATG (Alternate Terrain Generation)

    I didn't test GT6 with that one in a while, lets hope it still works. I know I fixed some RTG Compat a few months ago, so maybe that fixed anything in similar Mods. ^^


    ExtraBiomes XL - If better alternatives exist, will be replaced.

    Dunno if better alternatives exist, maybe BiomesO'Plenty, but you can have both of them at once. It's all about ATG Compatibility I guess.


    ZTones - Nice assortment of blocks.

    Another one I would like to take a look at. Link pls. ;)


    JABBA - Possibly unbalanced?

    Not needed at all anymore, GT6 has its own Barrels now, including a Block that lets you automatically fill all Barrels in a Wall when you rightclick it, while not allowing Pipes to connect with that "Controller", meaning you do have to pipe directly into all Barrels instead of one central Controller. Also GT6 Barrels automatically convert tiny and small Piles of Dust to regular Dust and Dust Blocks, and vice versa.


    Iron Chests

    Yep GT6 has its own Chests since ages.

    I don't say, your "insert whatever" is bad. I'm only showing ways for making it better.
    GregTech Website
    Patreon really helps me out. If you consider funding the development of GT, so I might be able to do it fulltime, why not?
    GregTech 6, the Main Thread, Bug Reports go here too.
    I'm also on #gt-dev on irc.esper.net, if you don't want to make a Forum account just to contact me.
    (I'm there almost every day, when I'm at my own computer. Yes you can drop bugs and suggestions there too)

  • If you just mark in the post you can insert it as a quote directly like so: https://share.dl.je/2018/05/20…7_14-58-11_BMi4HzS0xQ.mp4

    Just a different workflow to get used to i guess ;)

    Yeah its a hugely different workflow, as I have to select a ton of lines just to copypaste them, which is even less efficient than copypasting manually.

    I don't say, your "insert whatever" is bad. I'm only showing ways for making it better.
    GregTech Website
    Patreon really helps me out. If you consider funding the development of GT, so I might be able to do it fulltime, why not?
    GregTech 6, the Main Thread, Bug Reports go here too.
    I'm also on #gt-dev on irc.esper.net, if you don't want to make a Forum account just to contact me.
    (I'm there almost every day, when I'm at my own computer. Yes you can drop bugs and suggestions there too)

  • Quote splitting definitely takes way more work now. I miss the BBCode editing :(

    There is a Default Config Pack on the GT6 Download Page, you should take a look at it.

    Aha! Thank you for the list, I'll definitely take a look at them ASAP.

    Better Records

    This one sounds like something I should add GT6 Shelf compatibility for. Could you link it to me?

    Here's their GitHub page, and their latest 1.7.10 .jar.

    ZTones - Nice assortment of blocks.

    Another one I would like to take a look at. Link pls.

    It looks like the mod died after their latest 1.7.10 version, but it's fine since that is the MC version we're on.

    Underground Biomes Constructs - Aesthetics and breaking the monotony of mining stone.


    Underground Biomes is irrelevant by now, GT6 has its own better Underground Biomes now. You can still install Underground Biomes, but I would turn UBs Worldgen off, because GT6 will generate the UB Rocks with its own Generator when installed.

    That's good to know, I'm pretty excited to see what GT underground biomes look like. if the mod is sideways compatible and doesn't present much of an issue, I may still install it, so that we have access to its particular block textures.

  • ZTones only had the mini-coal and mini-charcoal I could add compat for.


    As for Better Records, does this Mod even have Records, I mean in Item form?


    Underground Biomes is not an issue at all if you use the Default Config from my Pack for it, which will disable its own Stone Generation and result in no Worldgen Lag. And all UB Rock Types are less common than the GT6 ones so they wont take too much Space. ^^


    This is roughly how a cut in the World would look like. Some Ores are way more abundant now in terms of Vein Size but also much further apart.

    2018-02-02_23.44.45.png



    And this is how a Stone Beach Biome would look like. Note that I tweaked the Red and Black Granites to be rarer.

    2018-02-03_19.20.09.png



    Since you're on a Server, maybe something like this might be useful in the middle of the Map.

    2018-01-04_15.06.01.png


    There is 4 separately configurable Components to the Stuff seen on the Screenshot:


    1. (Default OFF) The Roads that go infinitely along the X and Z axis and are a good way of keeping distance, while also giving people easy ways of telling directions. Also they are made of Asphalt Blocks so you walk faster on them too.


    2. (Default OFF) The one Building at the Crossing is a Nexus, it contains a fully deactivated End Portal and several other inactive Portals. can be a nice thing for Server infrastructure.


    3. (Default OFF) There is 4 "Biomes" around the Spawn Area (which is always at 0, 0 once it generated). Those Biomes contain some earlygame and decorative Resources, that are usually Biome based, making it easier to start a Farm if needed.


    4. (Default ON) The Surface of the Area around the Spawnpoint will not spawn any hostile Mobs (they still spawn in caves though!), making respawning less of an infinite Death Loop and giving you the ability to calm down for a moment if you dont have a bed or if you just freshly spawned during nighttime.


    This Stuff is all a convenience thing that shouldnt make the Server too OP while also providing Stuff that nobody really ever wants to build.

    I don't say, your "insert whatever" is bad. I'm only showing ways for making it better.
    GregTech Website
    Patreon really helps me out. If you consider funding the development of GT, so I might be able to do it fulltime, why not?
    GregTech 6, the Main Thread, Bug Reports go here too.
    I'm also on #gt-dev on irc.esper.net, if you don't want to make a Forum account just to contact me.
    (I'm there almost every day, when I'm at my own computer. Yes you can drop bugs and suggestions there too)

  • Oh and I forgot there is a 5th thing that is defaulting to OFF but can be enabled, a Quad-Beacon in the middle of the Map.

    I don't say, your "insert whatever" is bad. I'm only showing ways for making it better.
    GregTech Website
    Patreon really helps me out. If you consider funding the development of GT, so I might be able to do it fulltime, why not?
    GregTech 6, the Main Thread, Bug Reports go here too.
    I'm also on #gt-dev on irc.esper.net, if you don't want to make a Forum account just to contact me.
    (I'm there almost every day, when I'm at my own computer. Yes you can drop bugs and suggestions there too)

  • Wow, those are awesome QoL configs. I actually was planning to build some of these manually so there'd be a spawn village sort of, didn't expect GT to already have included the option to make it as part of the world.


    How I set those options will probably depend on how many people sign up. Hopefully more responses roll around over the next weekend.

    As for Better Records, does this Mod even have Records, I mean in Item form?

    It looks different and is only compatible with the mod's own record player. It's like this:

    PEgjWA1.png

  • Good to know because that Stuff doesnt show up in NEI at all.


    I also made a Page on my Site about those Convenience things that I already mentioned https://gregtech.overminddl1.c…/gregtech_1.7.10/modpack/

    I don't say, your "insert whatever" is bad. I'm only showing ways for making it better.
    GregTech Website
    Patreon really helps me out. If you consider funding the development of GT, so I might be able to do it fulltime, why not?
    GregTech 6, the Main Thread, Bug Reports go here too.
    I'm also on #gt-dev on irc.esper.net, if you don't want to make a Forum account just to contact me.
    (I'm there almost every day, when I'm at my own computer. Yes you can drop bugs and suggestions there too)

  • And this is how a Stone Beach Biome would look like. Note that I tweaked the Red and Black Granites to be rarer.

    2018-02-03_19.20.09.png

    I glad that Red and Black Granite would be rarer because it is a really hard rock with just a level 1 pickaxe. :P

    Color Codes and Format Codes for the rules:


    Red Meaning Don't Read that.

    Green Meaning must Read that.

    Blue Meaning everytime someone swears (like extensive bad language) on purpose it will be changed into a not a swearing text. Since I cannot delete other peoples text unless I am a admin or something that allows to get rid of the extensive bad language post. I absolutely hated swearing or worse extensive bad language.

    Yellow Meaning That is incorrect.

    Purple Meaning Spelling Correction

  • I've put together a proof-of-concept pack with the following mods and things seem to work. (NOT the final list, mods will likely be added or removed based on feedback)

    • AnimationAPI
    • AppleCore-mc1.7.10-3.1.1
    • Applied Energistics 2
    • Aroma1997Core (For AromaBackup)
    • Ars Magica 2
    • BiblioCraft
    • BiblioWoods Biomes O'Plenty Edition
    • BiblioWoods ExtraBiomesXL Edition
    • BiblioWoods Forestry Edition
    • Biomes O' Plenty
    • BiomeTweaker
    • Botania
    • Carpenter's Blocks
    • Chemica (PFAA)
    • Chisel
    • CodeChickenCore-1.7.10-1.0.7.47-universal
    • Custom Chest Loot
    • Custom Ore Generation
    • Damage Indicators
    • Extra Cells 2
    • ExtrabiomesXL
    • FastCraft
    • Forestry for Minecraft
    • Forge Multipart
    • GregTech
    • Grimoire of Gaia 3
    • Hunger Overhaul
    • IC2Classic.Version.1.2.1.5.1
    • Immibis Core
    • Inventory Tweaks
    • MineTweaker 3
    • MobiusCore
    • Mod Tweaker 2
    • Morpheus (NEW!)
    • NEI Addons
    • NotEnoughItems-1.7.10-1.0.5.120-universal
    • Opis
    • OptiFine_1.7.10_HD_U_D6
    • Pam's HarvestCraft
    • PlayerAPI-1.7.10-1.4
    • Railcraft
    • Realistic Terrain Generation
    • RedLogic
    • RenderPlayerAPI-1.7.10-1.0
    • Schematica
    • Smart Moving
    • Smart Render
    • Thaumcraft
    • Thaumcraft NEI Plugin
    • Thaumcraft Node Tracker
    • Thaumic Energistics
    • Thaumic Tinkerer
    • The Betweenlands
    • The Twilight Forest
    • Underground Biomes Constructs
    • Waila
    • Ztones

    Currently working on refining RTG worldgen and BiomeTweaker biome weights. If anyone is interested in helping with the configuration, please PM me for the MultiMC instance.


    RTG worldgen gives biome boundaries that look like this:


    Fbx5yAG.png


    PROGRESS TRACKER


    Done, In Progress, Pending, Tentative

    • Worldgen type selection (RTG)
    • Worldgen configuration (overworld terrain)
    • Worldgen configuration (nether terrain)
    • Worldgen configuration (biome weights)
    • Worldgen configuration (seed selection)
    • Playtesting - world generation
    • Mod list finalization
    • GT configuration (basic)
    • Mod configuration (compatibility)
    • Oregen supplier selection (GT)
    • Oregen configuration (overworld)
    • Oregen configuration (other dimensions)
    • Playtesting - ore generation
    • GT configuration (fine)
    • Mod configuration (gameplay)
    • Minetweaker (disabling recipes)
    • Playtesting - early progression
    • Minetweaker (enabling basic recipes)
    • Minetweaker (balancing recipes)
    • Modtweaker (Thaumcraft compatibility)
    • Modtweaker (Forestry compatibility)
    • Modtweaker (Botania compatibility)
    • Modtweaker (Ars Magica 2 compatibility)
    • Modtweaker (Thaumcraft additional features)
    • Map pre-generation

    By the way, does anyone know a good 1.7.10 method for pre-generating chunks? MLG does it by constantly restarting the MC server and setting spawn, which means 99% of the time is spent loading the mods and not actually generating the chunks.

  • Pregenerator by Speiger


    Also you say IC2C Version 1.2.1.5.1 but there is Version 1.2.1.5.2 on Speigers Curse Page afaik. Might be worth whatever bugfix that is.

    I don't say, your "insert whatever" is bad. I'm only showing ways for making it better.
    GregTech Website
    Patreon really helps me out. If you consider funding the development of GT, so I might be able to do it fulltime, why not?
    GregTech 6, the Main Thread, Bug Reports go here too.
    I'm also on #gt-dev on irc.esper.net, if you don't want to make a Forum account just to contact me.
    (I'm there almost every day, when I'm at my own computer. Yes you can drop bugs and suggestions there too)

  • I added a bunch of new things to this Page https://gregtech.overminddl1.c…/gregtech_1.7.10/modpack/ might be helpful ^^

    I don't say, your "insert whatever" is bad. I'm only showing ways for making it better.
    GregTech Website
    Patreon really helps me out. If you consider funding the development of GT, so I might be able to do it fulltime, why not?
    GregTech 6, the Main Thread, Bug Reports go here too.
    I'm also on #gt-dev on irc.esper.net, if you don't want to make a Forum account just to contact me.
    (I'm there almost every day, when I'm at my own computer. Yes you can drop bugs and suggestions there too)

  • Damn I know why I didnt see any Items of Better Records. That Curse Page you linked has 2 Download Buttons (which in on itself is just what the fuck), and guess where one Link goes and where the other goes. Hint: I had the 1.12 version inside my Mods Folder...

    I don't say, your "insert whatever" is bad. I'm only showing ways for making it better.
    GregTech Website
    Patreon really helps me out. If you consider funding the development of GT, so I might be able to do it fulltime, why not?
    GregTech 6, the Main Thread, Bug Reports go here too.
    I'm also on #gt-dev on irc.esper.net, if you don't want to make a Forum account just to contact me.
    (I'm there almost every day, when I'm at my own computer. Yes you can drop bugs and suggestions there too)

  • Known Issues for the pregenerator seems to point to RTG pregen being not fully supported, quite unfortunate, but at least I can pregen the terrain with it.


    Found a decent seed and am now testing early game. It seems idea of gradually unlocking content is not popular, maybe I will just throw that idea out...

  • Count me in once it launches :3


    I can agree that gradually unlocking content is not popular, maybe prohibit people from giving away stuff? Tech stuff at least. Also on a trust basis.

    Thus nobody can skip through tech easily.

  • Hello. Long time lurker, first time poster.


    I just got back into GT6 recently (after 12+ mos.). Last time, I made it as far as the first steam machines (Solid Fuel & pre Electric Power).


    I would be interested in playing on this server also. But my main purpose would be to learn more GT from others.

  • Writing Minetweaker scripts for the mods is taking some time, especially things like Botania and TT which are very hard to balance when there's no way to Minetweaker stuff into GT machines, so instead they must be gated by material. I also need to actually play GT6 so I understand its relative difficulty...


    I am also encountering an issue where Dynmap has no support for GT6 blocks, so the map renders seawater as black:



    Dynmap seems dead though, pull requests made in 2014 for Chisel 2 support still not merged...


    SpwnX   crlosg2   CMXC if you guys are okay with starting with an incomplete set of tweaks (meaning there may be exploits or unbalanced items from the non-GT mods), privately message me. Please do tell me if you find an exploit and if possible suggest a way to balance it so it's even with GT!