Posts by Speiger

Bug Fix:
Version Will crash with Addons. Exchanged the version...

Here i come with the IC2 Classic Version which is Compatible to IC2 Exp Mods

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IC2 Classic has now an IRC Channel. If you want to join #IC2-Classic on IRC (EsperNet)
or on Discord: Discord Link

There is now a Forestry Fix that allow you to run Forestry with IC2 Classic. Download in the attachments. Thanks to some russian people!
ForestryFix.jar

New Features which do not exist in IC2 Classic from Immibis:

Almost Every IC2 Exp Addon or Mod should work with this. (Note some are not but i try to make it compatible)
Nei Plugin for normal CraftingRecipes (other will follow soon)
EU Reader give a couple more information when you sneak RightClick on a Machine that require/produce/transfer Energy.
That also counts for Addons.
Energy Transfersystem is adjusted to the IC2 Exp API.
Multible Energy Packets are back again. But also Explosions.

Important: These downloads here are for Minecraft 1.6.4.
1.7.10/1.10.2 Downloads are found at the top.
~ edited by Greg for better formatting

Quote from CubeWrench202

very cool, when we'll haave a release?

Now..

Quote from Mine_Sasha

Cube, you're back :D, I thought you we're doing an Albaka ( Yes, Al-BAKA :P. and not an Alblaka ).

XD Cool idea.

A little note: Until i get this Fingerprint from Forestry in 1.6.4 not fixed (without overriding Forestry) 1.7.10 version will be not made....

Quote from Mine_Sasha

Hehe, I would also like a 1.4.7 GT done for 1.7.10

Yeah..... Do not ask me. I am not a fan of GT. And even GT helped me a little bit with coding i am still a little bit skeptical of his reasons.

Anyway Last couple days work. Managed to Fix the bug with Forestry First. I Overrided the Class that causing that problem and,
And replaced it. Now IC2 Classic Exp Works fine.
Nodest 1 Bug with Railcraft SteamTurbine. I did not added yet the MultiStructureProducer/Consumer of IC2 Energy to the Support List.
Working on that as soon as i understood whats going on there.
Transformers send now Multible Energy Packets again (in 1.6.4 or higher) it was removed because of a bug.
And i adjusted my mods to the New API Files i created.

Quote from Chocohead

Personally, I'd just change Forestry to not have the code checking. You'd probably either have to fool the fingerprint to look like unmodified IC2 (grabbing one out of the Jenkins builds, that probably wouldn't work without some tweaking) or make your own based off your code, although it might not like that either. Put Railcraft in and I bet you'll have the same problem.

Sadly i can not override Forestry... I can not do it and also i do not want to override it...
The sad thing is i do not know how to insert a fingerprint.
I know i have the one that Forestry requests... But i still need to insert it and there is the point where i have no knowledge about that...
I simply have no clue. I saw that the current Forestry team removed it because Mods crash the game if they try to use System.exit(0); which is in my opinien not a good thing....

Anyway could someone explain me how to insert a fingerprint? (the @Mod event has it already in...)

Note: I tried it without Forestry and everything was fine...................................................

Yeah Progress done.
Replaced the items which are in the IC2 Exp list... (so making it crashproof...)
Thinking so.
And now Forestry Blames me again with this message which i totally expected!

TextMessage:
ic2.core.IC2 failed validation. Halting runtime for security reasons. Please replace your mods with untampered versions from the official download sites.

So now the Question how to solve that?

Edit:
I know now that it has something todo with Class Fingerprints...
And this version i have do not have any Fingerprints.
That is a reason why it crashes.

Now the Question:
How can i insert the IC2 Fingerprint?

Use IC2 Build 395 Its a version that is compatible with Powerconverters.
I am also playing 1.6.4 as Maingame MauveCloud

V497 soon there will be a IC2 Exp Addon Compatible version of IC2 Classic for 1.6.4 (IC2 classic is IC2 from 1.4.7 for 1.6.4)
I am still working on that but it will be soon there!

Quote from Mine_Sasha

Wut animes I finished 3 of them recently

I am watching currently 3 at the time. They are kinda small only 40-60 episodes.
And my todolist on that has at least 5 more. Note that i expand it more and more. XDD
Also some other things xD i still thinking about if i should buy me the managas of an anime series i am waiting for. Because there are 15 books of them....

But todays work. Finished the Gui Bugs and Installed it into my main coding area for 1.6.4. which crashed instantly because an IC2 Addon which i copied from someone (Arroma1997) uses items which are only IC2 Exp and because craftingmanagers do not like it if you insert a null the game crashed.
So now i need to make the Ic2 Exp Items into the IC2 Classic version and replace them with something else in IC2 or mark them as no use Items to prevent adding machines which have no use and also prevent crashes....

By the way Gregtech. I think your mod will not work correctly if you use more than the API files....

OK good thing to know. At the moment i am lazy like a sloth again. Mostly because having a tone of animes to watch, Forestry Bee Time is now (Tipsy Bee) and also some real life stuff is happening.^^"
But trying to manage everything. But now... gotogoto IC2Classic.

Quote from GregoriusT

You should start releasing it once you got the most terrible Bugs squashed. That way people here may be able to help you find the other Bugs.

Yeah i know G. (Hope you do not mind this Shortcut). Most bugs are away i could even release it by now as standalone mod. The only bug that exsist in the standalone version is that machines update their progressbar not correctly.
And after that is done the only thing that scares me is simply forestry. The last time i tried to change something in IC2 (file Replacement....) Forestry simply called the System.exit(0); thingy.
If that does not happen and i did some changes to the API (only ic2 classic additions, multible energy packets per tick simply) then everything is done.

Quote from Chocohead

Just to be clear, are you making it for 1.6.4?

Yeah the current Version is 1.6.4.

But on request from Asie (BC Dev) i will also try (if i success is a differend thing) to make that work also.
But i am not 100% sure if i use the same source or if i will use the 1.7.10 version of Immibis IC2 Classic....
Decompiling bugFixes took me only a couple hours (12 in total i think),
and the API Adjustments should be then easy enough because i repeate the same things again and it should be maybe even faster (if we leave the enegyNet out).

But the 1.7.10 support is limited because i do not like it to handle 2 versions at the same time. At least if i support 1 thing at both versions.

As Mr Gregtech said (and he is a dev of ic2) i can release this mod when it is finish in the IC2 Forums.
So yeah. Until i fixed a few bugs and hope that every mod i use work with it i will release it. I will make a list of mods that will not work (during my testing).

I really enjoy this conversation ^^"

To the Mobgrinders that could be a solution, But again the powercost would be insane at night,
the cables do not lose any power when entities get close to them. Its just roasting them.
The only thing you need to handle is to keep a extreme voltage and a good balance between powerloss and powerproduction^^" That is not that easy.

Resource cost would be almost the same.
But i like the idea that you can build a Chicken Toaster with those old cables.
If you search for a creative build with cables search for Redled72 in this wiki.
I think gregouriousG is quite happy that he is no longer active xDD You understand it maybe when you read the comments under his chickentoaster threads

master801 thanks for that reminding.
And yes i know that.
But i can see the difference between a decompiling bug/error and an coding bug, (not every case but enough cases)
And i am still in testing to fix those bugs^^"

Coils attack everything if you want to make your house save with electricty without damagaging yourself cables were the best options instead of teslacoils. Because Mobs do not see cables as a problem like lava.

Another thing i do not play those subversions which are not counted as the final version (1.8.1, 1.0,1.1,1.2.5, 1.4.7) Nightvision goggles were creative only in IC2 1.4.7. and the boats were only implemented in IC2 Exp.

And the energy consuming is maybe mostly at addons but the EnergyNet Could have done that better at all i mean they can ask for the requested amount of energy but do not use it at all.

A little note even if they say no i can still play with this version for myself privatly. The request here is only that i can share it with you guys ^^"

You useing the API wrong. Let me explain it.
IC2 have those Empty Classes laying around in the API.
When the Game Starts and IC2 Loads it starts to fill those classes automaticly so your mods do not require IC2 (which is a nice way of doing something)

You simply go to the class they store those recipe holders and simply say add the recipe. Make sure that you know that ic2 exsists.

Here an example:

//This comes in any of your MainClasses.
public static void initRecipes()
{
	//The Recipes class from IC2 API
	Recipes.macerator.addRecipe(new RecipeInputItemStack(yourInputItemStack, amount), null, yourItemStackOutput);
}

I would say extract the API files and read everything what you need. Its better to read the programm blind into the world.
Simply the W questions:
What do i need?
Where do i get it?
When do i have to use it?

And why is optional:
Why did they do that like this?
Why do i need this?

And and and. I use those Language rules in the programming. And they help imens!

Chocohead i think you do not get the point.
IC2 was until the big changes one of those mods that had every feature working (that was in not cheatgame aviable) after a new version of MC came out. That was a not common thing.

To the Extrem powerconsuming: I had that 5 other addons, even with IC2 (if you count AE and Powerconverters and Foundry as ic2 addon) that produced that bug.
It os just not that obvious if you play like that you require a huge power system for everything.

And i know what features are in 1.7.10 aviable but its only a part of what they did. I saw their energy system, i readed every single line and to compare it. It is 20 Times more complex and does the same thing before as in 1.4.7. Only that it autodraws energy (what was before the work of the generators and storage units to send the energy itself). So in my eyes it seems to be that they did something for nothing.
Longer and complexer code means simply more work for the processors while the old energy system code covers maybe 120 lines.

Also i did not list everything. What bothered me.

Here really cool idea that should work with IC2: Build a mobfarm where every mob get killed by IC2 electricty, without using a tesslacoil. The parts what should damage Entities have to be IC2 Cables,
Only with ic2 vannilla!
If you use IC2 Exp: That will fail to 100%.
If you use IC2 1.4.7 or lower or IC2 classic: That will work really smothly and pretty!

First of all things IC2 Team. I like your work and what you do. Thats for sure.
But you do leave versions unfinished. If you plan big things than finish it on every version that have these things or make it as a subversion so people can choose what they want and do not force the people to accept it.
I played with IC2 classic now a little bit. It does not have every feature that IC2 Exp has. But every feature that was implemented is working. Maybe buggy but it works.
And there is your version (do not think that i hate it but i do not like that you guys do not finish a version). First Explosions off (ok is ok because you override the energy system) that could be solved better. Simply have both systems next to each other and be with a config enabled and dissabled.
Second thing: Energy Measurement is almost = 0. Without powerconverter mods almost impossible to detect if energy flows. And also not detectable by EU reader and cable.
Third: Extreme Energy Loss and No Powerloss: First the no powerloss. The EnergySystem in 1.6.4 is having now powerloss and you can run as much power as you want through a cable and it would not even nodest that. (<.<). Now Extreme Powerloss. If you send 512 EU through a cable to a machine that require only 10 EU you lose the rest of the Energy because the machines can not send more than that amount of energy. You require everywhere a powerconverter, even if the the machine has the same powerlevel.
I nodest that with machines that said you need only 10k EU and it took for real 1Million EU. WTF?
I accept much things. I played a long time with the new version and enjoy the new features. But guys do not leave a unfinished project there. I do not want to expand this even more because its making me angry and sad.

And after trying hacking IC2 with a submod (yeah i tried that) which sadly failed because i could not shutdown the original code without asm (i am not able to use asm at the moment), i asked immibis for the IC2 classic code. After a short explaining why he could not give it to me i took the source by myself by decompiling the source. (And as long i keep the source private it should be fine). I started to update the sourcecode to the IC2 Exp API in 1.6.4 (i am not done yet but i am half way there).

A useless note but i want to tell it: i would only support the 1.6.4 version of mc.

Now the Question to the IC2 Team:

I know that i have no rights to release the source as long you guys give it to me.
But would you guys give me the rights to make the IC2 Classic version that is compatible to the IC2 Exp API if it is finish public?

Anyway thanks for reading. Speiger.

Edit: Addons that uses more than the API would maybe not compatible to this mod anyways. And this problem i can not fix.

Just an quick report of what i did.

Fixed Decompiling bugs. And cleaned up the source
Updated the Crops to the EXP API.
Updated the Reactor to the EXP API.
Started to update the Recipes to the API. Whitelist on the Recyclers do no longer work (it exsisted anyways only in the exp version.)
Prepaired me for the EnergyNet. Because this part is extremly tricky.

I ask now for people that can test it later. NOTE: Send me an PM. You get testing access after that the testers will be removed so you can play the buggy version.
I need your MC Name to make it a private version. So you guys can not share it. Also you guys will not know who got the access code.

(Note: I post that now for testing if i fly out of the wiki or not if i request testers Also it will take a few time to make the first version ready anyways. xDD).

Quote from SpwnX

For such regards you should talk to Player, the current "lead" dev.

Yeah maybe. I will ask him when its ready. (I am not really good at those things but we will see).

Also another thing while i was fixing stuff and things like this:
immibis you forgot to switch the Support from LiquidContainer to FluidContainer (and other Stuff like that). At least in the 1.6.4 version. Would be nice if you fix that even not much people downloading your mod this will help at least. Keeping every version clean and not both support at once.

Another thing (not for you immibis) i will add the Nei support back to IC2 Classic. Crafting guild i would if i would get the API for it.
Another note: I will replace the Items from IC2 Exp with fitting ic2 classic items. so if someone uses a ic2 Exp item in the IC2 Classic version for a recipe then it will not be a unvalid recipe or crash. I do have no idea what i will implement instead of the hammer (maybe an hammer with no use only for this). We will see.

@xBonyx i already explained why ic2 classic is allowed.

@CubeWrench202. Another thing. yeah immibis could make the things compatible to each other. As much he wants. But the rule that makes everything compatible to each other is the MODID. And the mod who contains the id can use the addons. As long the whole people do work for the splitt (so supporting both mods at once) then it would maybe work. But then there is the Licence in the way and because the IC2 Classic version i try to create "can Replace IC2" the will be aware of giving a permission to release it.

I do not know how much controll Alblaka has. But as the original modder of IC / IC2 he should be able to give permission to anything (as long he did not put it so that the ic2 team can denie or have more permissions then him).

At the very least i should be able to make the mod compatible to the API.
I am still thinking of giving Immibis a version of it because he is the creater of ic2 classic (he did the updating and co).
Do not know how much i can expand the licence cage until it breaks. Simply i have to test that out.