Okay, the bit about the optimal plasma flow is good to know (so I guess I should use the formulas from the wiki page based on the optimal steam flow, rather than the EU/t shown in the tooltips for optimal plasma or gas flow), though the space efficiency is still not that impressive compared with the single-block plasma generator. I don't know what's going on with the 28000 EU/t for full-efficiency output, but one flaw I notice in your calculations - optimal flow is calculated as an integer - see https://github.com/Blood-Asp/GT5-…Plasma.java#L92
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Take a look at this sheet for Plasma Turbine math. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d…dit?usp=sharing
Note: Optimal flow = well... optimal flow, but Max flow = filling the input hatch with fluid. I believe the math is right from looking at the Plasma Turbine code. The optimal flow is the most efficient use of turbine durability, and max flow is the least efficient but has the highest EU output.
So in some cases that Max EU out is double Optimal EU out and the material in question can be replicated, then it might make more sense to actually use Max Flow /t.
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I don't know what's going on with the 28000 EU/t for full-efficiency output, but one flaw I notice in your calculations - optimal flow is calculated as an integer
Oh YES thanks I now know how to calculate it! I'll have to change it up a bit though.For small fluxed electrum turbine:
Key constants:
Turbine efficiency modifier = 0.8, Turbine optimal steam flow = 16,000L/sWhat I expect:
Nominal plasma output = (16,000L/s * 40) / 20 = 32,000EU/t
Optimal plasma flow = 32,000EU/t / 4,096EU/mB = 7.8125mB/t rounded up to 8mB/t
Flow efficiency modifier = 7mB/t / 8mB/t = 0.875
Full-efficiency energy output = 7mB/t * 4096 = 28,672EU/t
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Take a look at this sheet for Plasma Turbine math. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1…dit?usp=sharing
Thank you for that. However, I notice the highest max EU out, from Adamantium (which requires the Metallurgy mod for the ore to generate by default), is only equivalent to about 5.4 single-block mark III plasma generators, while the large turbine takes up the space of 36 blocks (not counting the pipes, regulators, etc. connected to it), and requires replacing the turbine item at least every few days if not several times a day (that spreadsheet doesn't calculate how long the turbine item will last), so I'm having trouble seeing the attraction of large turbines.Optimal plasma flow = 32,000EU/t / 4,096EU/mB = 7.8125mB/t rounded up to 8mB/t
Why are you rounding up? Looking again at the code line I linked, I come up with a different calculation, although the same result:
(32,000 EU/t + 4096 EU/L - 1) / 4096 EU/L ≈ 8.812, which truncates to 8 L/t. -
Thank you for that. However, I notice the highest max EU out, from Adamantium (which requires the Metallurgy mod for the ore to generate by default), is only equivalent to about 5.4 single-block mark III plasma generators, while the large turbine takes up the space of 36 blocks (not counting the pipes, regulators, etc. connected to it), and requires replacing the turbine item at least every few days if not several times a day (that spreadsheet doesn't calculate how long the turbine item will last), so I'm having trouble seeing the attraction of large turbines.
I believe it's cause the single block machines are meant to be less efficient, while the rotors have efficiency modifiers that can go to 130%. Also, building multiple single block plasma generators take quite a lot of nether stars if I remember correctly.Why are you rounding up? Looking again at the code line I linked, I come up with a different calculation, although the same result:
(32,000 EU/t + 4096 EU/L - 1) / 4096 EU/L ≈ 8.812, which truncates to 8 L/t.
I'm not sure about this code, but I thought I heard somewhere that when it comes to large turbines, never round down or smth.Edit: Oh and by adding fuel value - 1 and then dividing by fuel value your optimal flow is practically just 1mB/t higher than mine regardless. So we will pretty much always get the same optimal flow integer if you round down and I round up.
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I believe it's cause the single block machines are meant to be less efficient, while the rotors have efficiency modifiers that can go to 130%. Also, building multiple single block plasma generators take quite a lot of nether stars if I remember correctly.
Given the obscenely high fuel values of plasmas, trying to squeeze the most fuel efficiency out of them hardly seems necessary. However, extra nether stars and osmium cost vs. replacing turbine items every so often. Tough call. I suppose it's a bit early for me to decide, at least in regards to plasma, since I haven't actually sourced osmium in my current survival world, let alone built a fusion reactor. Slight tangent: does anybody think large turbines are worthwhile for biogas? Single-block gas turbines don't require nether stars or osmium. -
Given the obscenely high fuel values of plasmas, trying to squeeze the most fuel efficiency out of them hardly seems necessary. However, extra nether stars and osmium cost vs. replacing turbine items every so often. Tough call. I suppose it's a bit early for me to decide, at least in regards to plasma, since I haven't actually sourced osmium in my current survival world, let alone built a fusion reactor. Slight tangent: does anybody think large turbines are worthwhile for biogas? Single-block gas turbines don't require nether stars or osmium.Not once Diesel Engines are a thing
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[quote='sprAngles','index.php?page=Thread&postID=200975#post200975'] Slight tangent: does anybody think large turbines are worthwhile for biogas? Single-block gas turbines don't require nether stars or osmium.
A while back i had a biogas setup running of a farm, 2 distillation towers and 3 turbines. This isnt possible anymore since at least in beyond reality the processing time for biomass in the tower was nerved. At the time i posted in this thread and layed out my math but i cant seem to find it right now.
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Not once Diesel Engines are a thing
I presume you mean this:
https://github.com/Blood-Asp/GT5-Unofficial/pull/500
Single-block Diesel Engines have been in for a while.I'm having trouble figuring out from Muramasa's commits what the recipes for the large diesel generator will be. I suppose I could always just download and build that fork
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However, I just struck platinum a little while ago :D, so I'm more inclined to continue mining it after lunch, and then work toward building a fusion reactor. After I've built the fusion reactor, I can decide whether to use a large plasma generator or multiple single-block plasma generators. -
I don't think I got a response to this, so I'm bringing it up again (I hope that's okay).
Plasma turbine calculator
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d…dit?usp=sharing -
https://github.com/Blood-Asp/GT5-Unofficial/pull/500
Single-block Diesel Engines have been in for a while.I'm having trouble figuring out from Muramasa's commits what the recipes for the large diesel generator will be. I suppose I could always just download and build that fork
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However, I just struck platinum a little while ago :D, so I'm more inclined to continue mining it after lunch, and then work toward building a fusion reactor. After I've built the fusion reactor, I can decide whether to use a large plasma generator or multiple single-block plasma generators.It will mostly consist of Titanium. The recipe for the controller block hasn't been decided yet (Ideas welcome!).
I would also appreciate feedback on the latest post on that pull request if anybody is interested.
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Plasma turbine calculator
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d…dit?usp=sharing
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Are you sure this is correct? I can't seem to replicate the EU out in game.
I am.
Experimentally confirmed converting 128 000 L of Helium Plasma to 707 561 952 eU in Batbuffer closely to ZPM Dynamo Hatch via 8 L/t flow.
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Given the obscenely high fuel values of plasmas, trying to squeeze the most fuel efficiency out of them hardly seems necessary. However, extra nether stars and osmium cost vs. replacing turbine items every so often. Tough call. I suppose it's a bit early for me to decide, at least in regards to plasma, since I haven't actually sourced osmium in my current survival world, let alone built a fusion reactor. Slight tangent: does anybody think large turbines are worthwhile for biogas? Single-block gas turbines don't require nether stars or osmium.
I believe it may only be worth building a gas turbine if your energy production/requirements exceed HV tier, after which single block turbines need a transformer and that's usually a pain in the ass. Also, as always, higher efficiencies with the turbines means that you can save on that 5-10% efficiency and perhaps generate some surplus. This is gonna come in handy as for EV tier and beyond, you're gonna need a crap ton of energy and you have to generate as much as possible.However, by EV tier it might be more prudent to switch to nuclear fission power, in which case your turbine casings and rotors can be recycled to be part of a large steam/superheated steam turbine.
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Ok, next snag... got to Electric (Basic Generator) which requires fuel... Made a refinery, made fuel... can't get fuel out of the refinery... can't use buildcraft pipes (game crashes with liquid buildcraft pipes for some reason). Tried using GT pipes, but nothing... how do i get fuel to power generator? Which, i even (just to test) gave myself fuel and fuel bucket, even tried fuel cell... Diesel cell... all of it... put them in generator and no power... so, how the heck do you power this thing?
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witch generator? the first generator is typically a turbine with takes steam, then you have gas turbines and diesel generators. gas is methane and hydrogen, etc. diesel is for fuel, ethanol, etc. all semi fluids are burned in large boilers (multiblock) now like oil and creosote'
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It's the diesel generator i made, so... There's a multiblock i have to make to get the fuel for it... now i need to find out how that works. What's the name of it so i can start looking that up?
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There are a few options to refinine oil .
Iam pretty sure that a single refinery can do every step of the way (Cracking the oil and refining the components) but has horrible efficency.But correct me if Im wrong
You can get better if you use the oil cracking unit (a multi block) to crac kthe oil before refining it.
And the best way is the distillation tower which is obscene but requires a ton of stainless steel and other high tier materials.
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There are a few options to refinine oil .
Iam pretty sure that a single refinery can do every step of the way (Cracking the oil and refining the components) but has horrible efficency.But correct me if Im wrong
You can get better if you use the oil cracking unit (a multi block) to crac kthe oil before refining it.
And the best way is the distillation tower which is obscene but requires a ton of stainless steel and other high tier materials.
The Buildcraft refinery? All that can do is oil to fuel (which GregTech treats as diesel), though with fewer steps than GregTech machines. If you mean the GregTech single-block distillery, I see 38 recipes for it, none of which output cracked fuel/oil. Cracking the fuel doesn't look like that great an option for feeding a single-block distillery, though possibly it's a decent option when using some distillation towers.
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yeah, i tried the fuel from refinery, and it didn't do anything. I couldn't even find out how to remove from the buildcraft refinery. Then went creative mode and gave myself fuel, then oil, then fuel bucket, oil bucket, then fuel cell and diesel cell... none of them worked when placed in the basic diesel generator... so there's obviously something i'm doing wrong with it, but i can't figure out what... everything i've put in, liquid contents of generator still read 0
