[GregTech-5][1.7.10-FORGE-1355+][Unofficial but approved Port][Stable] Even GT5 Experimental is slowly getting stable.

Gus_Smedstad
iirc capacitors were added because comunity constantly whined about it to greg, who thought about it as a useless thing, and finaly added useless thing

In build 5.09.27 Recipes that should be using chlorine don't.

Only recipe I found (using NEI recipe finder thingy) that uses Chlorine with Build 5.09.27 is Epichlorohydrin.

Titanium Tetrachloride only uses Rutile Dust (TiO2) and Carbon Dust and outputs Ashes and Titanium Tetrachloride

If this was fixed in 5.09.28pre, I guess I can try it but I don't really like using dev/preview builds on my main worlds as things may change that break old saves.

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If this was fixed in 5.09.28pre

it was.

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Gus_Smedstad
iirc capacitors were added because comunity constantly whined about it to greg, who thought about it as a useless thing, and finaly added useless thing

Honestly, the entire ULV tier feels like a "useless thing" tier. Though I guess you can build them before you get steel, since it looks like they use wrought iron everywhere you'd use steel at 32V or aluminum at 128v.

Despite changing the config, end asteroids seem to be extremely few and far between (I see 1 like every 1000 blocks). Does anyone know if something is interfering with world gen? (e.g. climate control mod or smth)

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The default chance is 1 Asteroid every 300 chunks. So, did you lower the number to get more asteroids?
I:AsteroidProbability_300=1 would result in every chunk containing a asteroid.

Ok so lowering the probablity increases the chance of asteroids spawning. Always thought it was the other way round, so when testing ended up having asteroids every 5000 chunks. Thanks!

I ran into a major difficulty bump, and I want to be sure I understand what's going on.

The Pyrolise Oven requires Kanthal coils. A fair number of metals are gated behind needing Kanthal coils, but my primary concern right now is a ready source of renewable oil, so I don't have to keep making mining runs for Oilsand, and the oven does a wood -> oil conversion.

Kanthal smelting produces a hot ingot. The only way to convert the hot ingot to a usable ingot as a Vacuum Freezer.

The Vacuum Freezer requires processor boards, which in turn needs polytetrafluorethylene (aka teflon), which has a complicated refining process involving LPG, chlorine, and fluorine.

Is that correct? I figured I was pretty close to being ready for Kanthal until I discovered that I needed teflon.

Yeah, the vacuum freezer is expensive in terms of needing high-tier circuits. Also, the wood to oil recipe takes a lot of EU - 61440 to convert 16 logs to 200 L heavy oil. I haven't done all the calculations, but if you're planning to use that to make diesel or nitro diesel, you might want to make sure you can actually get positive net EU that way.

200L heavy oil can be converted to 200L oil, which converts to 250L nitro diesel. The energy cost for doing so isn't that high compared to the EU content of the fuel. I worked it out at one point, but call it about 120,000 EU after processing costs. Net energy surplus is about 60,000 EU.

Now that I'm actually talking about it "out loud" instead of just running it through my head, it's a bad plan. The conversion process takes 16 seconds, which means the net output, all things considered, is about 187 EU/t. I'd be better off building another large boiler, burning the wood in the boiler, converting it to electricity locally to avoid the problems with steam's low energy density, and running wire. A large steel boiler generates 24,000 L of steam per second, which converts to about 400 EU/t, for a lot lower cost overall.

I guess the primary purpose of the pyrolyse oven is mass conversion of wood to charcoal? I enabled the vanilla wood->charcoal recipe when I first started playing, just because I couldn't otherwise figure out how to get torches in the stone age. These days I've got automated vanilla stone furnaces converting wood to charcoal faster than my boiler can use it.

I'm mostly running off nitro diesel at this point. The energy density is ridiculous compared to steam, so distribution's a non-issue. Processing takes a while, but it works out to producing fuel worth about 2,000 EU/t.

I've also got a massive surplus of ethanol now that I need to utilize better. That was an iffy side-product of the tree farm for a long time, but I finally got into breeding better trees. The ones I've got aren't that great ("average" saplings and "low" sappiness), but they're still producing ethanol far, far faster than the demand of the basic electric blast furnace, which is the main consumer.

I guess I should get into oil drilling.

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I ran into a major difficulty bump, and I want to be sure I understand what's going on.

The Pyrolise Oven requires Kanthal coils. A fair number of metals are gated behind needing Kanthal coils, but my primary concern right now is a ready source of renewable oil, so I don't have to keep making mining runs for Oilsand, and the oven does a wood -> oil conversion.

Kanthal smelting produces a hot ingot. The only way to convert the hot ingot to a usable ingot as a Vacuum Freezer.

The Vacuum Freezer requires processor boards, which in turn needs polytetrafluorethylene (aka teflon), which has a complicated refining process involving LPG, chlorine, and fluorine.

Is that correct? I figured I was pretty close to being ready for Kanthal until I discovered that I needed teflon.

I've brought this up before. A worthy solution would be to have coil tiering for the Pyrolyse Oven, with Cupronickel coils allowing for ordinary wood to charcoal smelting, Kanthal for the charcoal recipes that use Nitrogen and Nichrome for the wood to heavy oil recipe. For now, I simulate that by producing Cupronickel coils then deleting them and cheating in Kanthal ones to use.

The config has something about pollution. I played GT5 at the final update Greg made and never noticed anything. Is this missing from the 'what I changed' log, not actually there aside from configs, or just so insignificant it never came up?

I gather pollution is not really implemented as yet. There's infrastructure for it, but no consequences yet. Which is fine by me, since I find the mod challenging enough as it is without worrying about something that's largely invisible until you build a tricorder, and not readily accessible even then.

Factorio has pollution, but it also has a map overlay that shows you the pollution. No tech requirement for that either. Factorio has an entirely different balance to the pollution anyway, since the consequences are largely increased alien attacks, and that's not something that fits Gregtech at all.

According to http://ftb.gamepedia.com/GregTech_5_Uno…angelog#5.09.23 consequences have been implemented. However, I'm guessing it's not easy to accidentally produce enough pollution to see those consequences. Maybe once you've progressed far enough to make a tier 2 or 3 fusion reactor you might start seeing those consequences.

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it's not easy to accidentally produce enough pollution to see those consequences.

I've try it on my test world. 4 Implosion Compressors in one chunk working continuously more than 30 minutes could not make more than 1-1.2 mil of pollution.

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Pollution is more of a machine spam prevention. Spamming dozens of low tier machines to produce EV+ energy is what ends with pollution effects. Upgrading your machines while progressing and not making more of the old stuff will keep you in the save area.

If that's the intent, it makes sense, but it still seems opaque. You could end up with pollution issues and not have any clue what was causing it. Short of running around with a tricorder.

Even then it's problematic. I've got a tricorder, mainly for diagnosing cases where the wrong fluid is in a pipe. I don't have any feel for how much pollution I have, or what's producing it.

Wait a second, where do I get the bronze for the alloy smelter?

I got some copper and tin together, but I can't make it it into dust, and there's no hand-dust recipe in NEI either, only a mixer one.

Edit: needs a better than flint mortar, dust crafts fine after all.

Bug or very weird decision, burning cactus now produces lapis dust?

Edit: regeneratign configs fixed it, but this recipe had been working on an identical config minus gregtech. Maybe add 'regenerate configs' to the install instructions?