Ecological scale !!!

1st Official Post

    Could have something like a ecology balance ...


    Use generators as coal generators, furnaces of iron and normal, will generate damage to the ecological balance,as several nuclear accidents and excessive use of geothermal generators.


    With bad ecology balance,the color of biome change, was more dead ... the color of water also could change, less field of view, less passive and more hostile mobs,where trees and seeds do not grow, and where neither the life of Steve will be welcome.


    With that the players would use more resources to generate clean energy, such as solar panels ...Improve water mill for large hydroelectric system ,but we must leave these clean energy more expensive.


    Players must choose between two paths



    The clean, but slower, means of generating energy



    The fast, but non-technological and polluting, means of generating energy.




    (sorry for the bad english, I'm using Google Translate)

    Already suggested here, here, and here, also already planned for a future version of IndustrialCraft

    Is the answer to this question no?


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    Hey don't take it so hard. Ignorance is part of this generation it seems. -the wise words of XFmax-o-l

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    When more people suggest, most likely have to be added!

    Not really. Many people have asked for a fusion reactor, IndustrialCraft does not have a fusion reactor.

    Is the answer to this question no?


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    Hey don't take it so hard. Ignorance is part of this generation it seems. -the wise words of XFmax-o-l

    People also keep asking for multi-block machines and will still be denied...


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    • Official Post

    It would be realistic and nice to see polluted enviroments. I wanted to give my word about this so...


    There could be many ways of pollution :


    Soil :
    Radiation from meltdowns/nukes turning nearby blocks into poisonous ones that spreads slowly (like ICBM ones)
    Desertification [over-usage of high rank crops without fertilizers], turning dirt/grass into sand


    Atmoshpere :
    Radiation from meltdowns/nukes turning whole chunk air poisonous (People could build a geiger counter that works similar to ThaumCraft Vis/Taint aura detector)
    Greenhouse gases (From burning stuff), which heats up nearby chunks (Works smilar to radiation), making less stuff grow there and even damage entities if it is on a critical level.


    Water :
    Radiation from meltdowns/nukes turning whole water into chunk poisonous on contact (Atmosphere and water radiation levels are shared). Fish are less common and they are poisonous.
    Water on polluted enviroment will become acid if greenhouse gases are on a critic level, severely damaging anything that comes on contact. (Items dropped will be destroyed)


    Hazmat suit should effectively protect players from those damages, but they will stop protecting them once either radiation or greenhouse gases achieve critical levels.
    Radiation will slowly decrease (or increase if there are many Uranium ores/blocks in chunk)
    greenhouse gases will decrease according to plants on chunk (leaves, sugar canes, wheat, crops... etc)


    To Thread Owner : E ai tudo bom? É raro ver alguem que fale portugues por aqui =)

    I support this suggestion, and, like i-conflict, it has indeed been promised for a future release of Industrialcraft. So, let me get this straight...


    NUCLEAR REACTORS and GENERATORS create NUCLEAR and AIR pollution
    WINDMILLS will be buffed
    NUKES create fallout
    CROPS drain "ambient water" and DESERTIFICATE nearby areas when unfertilized
    There will be a GEIGER COUNTER to measure ambient radiation
    HAZMAT SUITS will protect from air/radiation poisoning
    When UNPROTECTED, high air/radiation poisoning will give you poisoning
    and POLLUTION will reduce crop growth


    Let me suggest something:
    AIR FILTER: Powering it will reduce ambient AIR pollution
    LEAD SHIELD: Reduces ambient radaiation

    Well the main problem here is that renewable energy is already far superior to anything non-renewable, at least in SMP. Leave a couple of windmills running overnight and you have several full MFSUs.
    Reason for that is that they don't have any of the disadvantages they have in real life:

    • unreliability (battery blocks, which are unrealisticly strong, cancel that out)
    • need for expensive wiring to the main network (you can build windmills in a valley, watermills in still water...)
    • extremly long time to pay off (extremely cheap compared to the cost of the fuel)
    • large areas of land rendered useless for agriculture/any other use (they take up a single block)
    • coal/uranium energy is cheaper (there are no mines or companies you can buy fuel from, you have to mine it yourself)
    • nuclear reactors don't explode (in IC2, they explode quite regullary)

    If all these applied, then you could talk about a "choice" between renewable and non-renewable, so far there is no choice.
    And btw:
    co2 + higher temperature results in INCREASE of plant growth, not decrease.
    most of the "pollution" in the picture is just steam
    nuclear plants leak no radiation at all
    But, to be fair, you forgot one critical problem of nuclear plants: nuclear waste, which, until we have proper technology, needs to be stored somewhere

    I'll redirect you too my collection of ideas regarding pollution: CLICK ME!

    The forum won't let me specify my gender accurately, so I'll just use my signature to say that I go by they/them pronouns.

    It doesn't need to have something visible it could be like in that... Magicraft..or smth when you purify crystals they pollutes environment (aura) so bat thins starts to happen to avoid it i usually build those filters which forms chimney like structures so power plants could become nice with filters on top, my idea in this post that it is quite possible without heavy changes just add pollution level var to every chunk, trees could reduce it (if not too high cause the pollution can kill even trees and hurt player) so for ex nuclear explosion could set that var really high, you wouldn't even need radiation it just be high pollution and while you are in chunk you are getting poison and stuff.. So go someone start making addon while ic team decides this idea.

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    ...its not like i have an idea on how Alblaka mind works...


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    It has tiny stupid what below?... A RATING SYSTEM! here goes my face :Advanced Furnace: cmon it is even transparent you can't be serious.

    Just for the record:


    Nuclear Energy is clean. The only pollution is its Steam and the Nuclear waste, which is stored in safe bunkers (old URSS dumped em in the ocean)


    Maybe a nuclear reactor would, in time, increase the chances of rain in a area...

    The Viper will hide in the shadows... unseen... unheard... and when you least expect, she strikes.

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    Having Nuclear Waste doesn't exactly make it "Clean" you know?

    Cleaner than burning Coal, what also "produce" radioactivity, by burning and throwing into the atmosphere radioactive Isotope ... Because Coal contains Thorium, as example. But the fact it's more dangerous (only talking about radioactivity, I won't remind you particles and others it combusion generates ...) than a Nuclear Plant for health isn't mentionned by Energy Company ... Ask Greg, the German guy replacing Nuclear Power with Coal based one ^^
    But yes, it's nt "clean", but Nuclear Waste can be stored "easily", when CO2 isn't ... (not that it couldn't be, but that would be more expensive than using Green Energies)


    Soon with Molten Salt Reactors, right ? :D
    NERF THA FUSION REACTOR!

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    Having Nuclear Waste doesn't exactly make it "Clean" you know?

    Its "clean" because it does not necessarially pollute.


    Store that Waste in a speacial bunker and it wont be harmfull.


    Fossil Fuels have the caracteristic of releasing Chemicals into the atmosphere, its basic for their functioning...

    The Viper will hide in the shadows... unseen... unheard... and when you least expect, she strikes.