Machine Rates & a BC+IC Idea

Quote from BrickedKeyboard

Yes I looked at this as well. In short, recyclers need to be nerfed massively if you are playing with redpower 2, because redpower 2 cobble generators take no energy to run. So on my world, recyclers need 10x more energy to run, and I also make the diamond rate 1% instead of 3%.

Sounds like a problem with RedPower2, then. Can't recommend changes to IC2 simply on the basis that someone "might" be using it in conjunction with another mod that allows one to exploit something. Better off lobbying the RedPower team to make the sensible change of requiring power for a machine that generates something... I don't know, I've never used it.

The problem with this suggestion is that the block breaker isn't the thing that's "generating matter". It's only moving it around. The thing that's actually doing the generating of matter is the water and lava; the idea that you can get cobblestone for free is a stock Minecraft issue (genuinely free and renewable, since you can mine it with a stone pick). So while it makes sense that it should cost energy to make matter, applying that argument to the block breaker may or may not make much sense. For example, my nether-sited obsidian generator uses it to break the obsidian after pumping up lava. Should I pay energy to break the obsidian even though I'm not creating matter out of nothing? I'm making matter out of lava which I've already paid to pump up from the lake into buckets and which is finite. I'm not saying I shouldn't pay energy for this, I'm saying think it over because the problem isn't as clear-cut as "block breaker creates matter, block breaker should use energy".

Alternatively one could make cobblestone not work in the recycler, but that would no doubt piss off a lot of people.

If a machine is breaking the cobble for you, then yes, it should require power. You're no longer swinging the pick yourself.

Sure, I can accept that a machine that breaks a block should require power. I just don't think it's sensible to make it require the appropriate amount of power to balance the tradeoff in this situation, which would be a very large amount of power, because then it would be prohibitively expensive for other applications where you're not getting matter for free.

The fact remains that you're still advocating a change to this mod based on the unpredictable behavior that another mod introduces to it.
The problem isn't with the recycler, it's with your free RP2 cobble factory.

Quote from Alblaka

I hate Glass Panes.

I like Notch's glass panes as a building material. They make a good greenhouse for a lot less glass than glass blocks.

Quote from Gorni

get redpower for better panels.

Epic failure... have you sir been paying attention to the conversation? People are complaining about Redower in this thread and you simpy say use the RP features? fail.

Quote from Alblaka

Now, with the next update it doesn't matter anymore. Recycling will be degraded to a fun randomness-thing or Mass-Fuel.
But you won't get enough valuable stuff to actually make it a serious productive business :O

Just have to revert to 1.8.1 for that... (I miss the sticky dynamite in 1.0.0)

Edit: after a long counting test of one chest full of scrap boxes (54*64) this came out

Dirt                 352   10,38%
Wooden Hoe           322    9,50%
Stick                246    7,25%
Gravel               187    5,51%
Grass Block          186    5,49%
Netherrack           137    4,04%
Rotten Flesh         134    3,95%
Canned Food          110    3,24%
Bread                104    3,07%
Apple                103    3,04%
Cooked Porkchop       69    2,03%
Wooden Shovel         69    2,03%
Redstone Dust         68    2,01%
Sign                  68    2,01%
Leather               67    1,98%
Pumpkin               67    1,98%
Wooden Sword          67    1,98%
Soulstone             64    1,89%
Feather               63    1,86%
Gold Dust             62    1,83%
Copper Ore            60    1,77%
Wooden Pickaxe        59    1,74%
Cooked Chicken        57    1,68%
Minecart              57    1,68%
Steak                 56    1,65%
Tin Dust              56    1,65%
Rubber                52    1,53%
Glowstone             51    1,50%
Plantball             51    1,50%
Single-Use Battery    50    1,47%
Coal Dust             47    1,39%
Iron Dust             47    1,39%
Tin Ore               45    1,33%
Gold Ore              35    1,03%
Slime Ball            35    1,03%
Iron Ore              28    0,83%
Golden Helmet         26    0,77%
Cake                  24    0,71%
Diamond               10    0,29%

and yeah, I'm aware that these are not 54*64 items, I have no idea where the hell I lost a bit more than a stack but whatever, should be still a good estimation of what you'll get, lots of dirt and hoes lol
now his update note "suddenly hoes" makes sense XD

Iam pretty sure 50 recyclers running at all the same time will still generate alot of usefull stuff :). Ofc with sorting system.

I had a random thought last week to set up a recycler in my base, since I didn't have one... I slapped it down next to my recharging waystation, wired the solar power from the waystation into it, put a nice box around it, colored it green and white to suit, put a sign on it... and there we go... suddenly I had the best timewaster I had ever invented!

While waiting for random items to recharge in my waystation, I'll take a bit of time out to sift through my messy inventory, placing things into the recycler, and as an added bonus, when enough scrap had been generated, a light would come on and I get to press a button for a surprise gift!!! WOOOO!!!!! All it took was one diamond to pop out before I hooked up a teleport pipe into the top of this waystation, hooked the other end of that teleport pipe to my quarry off in the midst of nowhere, then sat patiently by the recycler until the light came on, so that I could press the button.

Isn't recycling fun?

Quote from Plystire

I had a random thought last week to set up a recycler in my base, since I didn't have one... I slapped it down next to my recharging waystation, wired the solar power from the waystation into it, put a nice box around it, colored it green and white to suit, put a sign on it... and there we go... suddenly I had the best timewaster I had ever invented!

While waiting for random items to recharge in my waystation, I'll take a bit of time out to sift through my messy inventory, placing things into the recycler, and as an added bonus, when enough scrap had been generated, a light would come on and I get to press a button for a surprise gift!!! WOOOO!!!!! All it took was one diamond to pop out before I hooked up a teleport pipe into the top of this waystation, hooked the other end of that teleport pipe to my quarry off in the midst of nowhere, then sat patiently by the recycler until the light came on, so that I could press the button.

Isn't recycling fun?

Rapidfire dispensers (thanks to RP gates) aren't bad either, especially when they open your scrap boxes :3
I wish RP computing would exist already, I'd so make a fricking counting machine that creates a table from it. I'm so gonna redo this test when we get that, wonder what scrap boxes will give then, if they still exist then...

Edit: also I'll use the deployer nexttime... the dispenser derps about RP current so it only runs half as fast since I have to toggle gate it.

Quote from BloodyRain2k

Edit: after a long counting test of one chest full of scrap boxes (54*64) this came out

I'll bet if you went through and sorted out all the good stuff, you'd find that you could just make it directly for less than what you spent on the scrap boxes. The amount of scrap for 54 stacks of 64 boxes is 31104. That's enough scrap to fabricate 942 UU-M. Odds are pretty good that you could make all the useful results on the list for far less than that (actually, it would take about 1/4th of that to make all of the useful stuff for which a UU-M recipe exists). It does require some investment of power, but the outcome is certain rather than random.

Grab bags are fun, don't get me wrong - but there's too much simply useless crap to make it worthwhile.

Quote from BloodyRain2k

Rapidfire dispensers (thanks to RP gates) aren't bad either, especially when they open your scrap boxes :3
I wish RP computing would exist already, I'd so make a fricking counting machine that creates a table from it. I'm so gonna redo this test when we get that, wonder what scrap boxes will give then, if they still exist then...

Edit: also I'll use the deployer nexttime... the dispenser derps about RP current so it only runs half as fast since I have to toggle gate it.

actually what I found works well (if you have the additional pipes mod or BC 3.x) is a redstone pipe hooked to 3 max length repeaters. Must be an activated gold pipe but it's enough of a delay to fire the dispenser off when the scrap box gets there.

Quote from BloodyRain2k

Edit: after a long counting test of one chest full of scrap boxes (54*64) this came out

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Dirt                 352   10,38%
Wooden Hoe           322    9,50%
Stick                246    7,25%
Gravel               187    5,51%
Grass Block          186    5,49%
Netherrack           137    4,04%
Rotten Flesh         134    3,95%
Canned Food          110    3,24%
Bread                104    3,07%
Apple                103    3,04%
Cooked Porkchop       69    2,03%
Wooden Shovel         69    2,03%
Redstone Dust         68    2,01%
Sign                  68    2,01%
Leather               67    1,98%
Pumpkin               67    1,98%
Wooden Sword          67    1,98%
Soulstone             64    1,89%
Feather               63    1,86%
Gold Dust             62    1,83%
Copper Ore            60    1,77%
Wooden Pickaxe        59    1,74%
Cooked Chicken        57    1,68%
Minecart              57    1,68%
Steak                 56    1,65%
Tin Dust              56    1,65%
Rubber                52    1,53%
Glowstone             51    1,50%
Plantball             51    1,50%
Single-Use Battery    50    1,47%
Coal Dust             47    1,39%
Iron Dust             47    1,39%
Tin Ore               45    1,33%
Gold Ore              35    1,03%
Slime Ball            35    1,03%
Iron Ore              28    0,83%
Golden Helmet         26    0,77%
Cake                  24    0,71%
Diamond               10    0,29%

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So, going by the rates presented... More common items are worth less, then gold dust is worth less than:

Copper ore
Steak
Tin dust
Coal dust
Iron dust
Cake

wow, gold has really dropped in value in Minecraft... Even though you need gold for a lot of things and gold is really scarce compared to Tin, Copper and Iron etc.

Grass blocks are nice to have when you live in a desert base.

2 UU-M will get you 16 of them.