Release of Minecraft 1.2 is here, let waiting begin

I don't even care about mojang content at this point.

On the other hand those bugfixes and optimizations...mmmmm....bugfixes...mmmm [salivates]

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2 main issues of 1.2:

-Golems can be turned into an infinite high-yield iron farm. Full inven in ~20 minutes, if set up properly.
-New ID range makes us consider moving all out blocks to a new ID-set, effectly ruining old saves unless converted. Jeb said something about an official Map converter, probably need to check that one out.

Mind if I ask about the Golem farm part? I don't know much about the golems yet (can't view information on them at work).

I'm intending to implement new metal golems for each of my metals however, so I need to know how to avoid the infinite aspects of it. (and possibly manually edit the Iron ones to not have the infinite aspect)

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Mind if I ask about the Golem farm part? I don't know much about the golems yet (can't view information on them at work).

I'm intending to implement new metal golems for each of my metals however, so I need to know how to avoid the infinite aspects of it. (and possibly manually edit the Iron ones to not have the infinite aspect)

Basically it works out like this:
A certain number of villagers will trigger the creation of a golem if they don't have one. So one crams a bunch of villagers into one block and then the golems spawn and get drowned/crushed/killed.
Not a lot one can do about it without editing base classes.

windmill @ 256? will they cause a nuclear explosion in a wind storm?

I would probably wait and see what happens with bug fixes in this version before really updating anything, seeing as with 1.2.2 (already!) there are lots of shadow problems and mobs don't die even in direct sunlight in most areas. That said, I have a pretty good seed that starts you off in a jungle biome that's near a snow, desert, and swamp biome if anyone wants me to post that one.

The 2048 block IDs aren't there fully yet. Items still use the +256 IDs

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The 2048 block IDs aren't there fully yet. Items still use the +256 IDs

Haven't they said that it is/was a bug that all ids above 256 were treated as item ids?

That.

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Just think of all the new blocks you will be able to add! Anyhow, I'm totally ok with waiting for a converter, as I'm excited to use 1.2 with IC.

BTW, I was curious how the version number is going to work. We are at 1.7, soon we will be at 1.8, then 1.9. What then? We move to 2.0?

I've seen version numbers go from 1.9 to 1.10 before (under the logic that it's not a decimal) before. I'm not sure what the IC2 team will do, though.

And wasn't the block id cap (theoretically ) raised to 4096, not 2048?

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And wasn't the block id cap (theoretically ) raised to 4096, not 2048?

I believe it was... actually...

As long as all the mods that used (or used to use if it becomes unnecessary to have any longer) Forge can port to this heightened ID version, then I'll embrace the change.. Although I still worry that port/decompiling/fixing the mods to be compatible to the next version may be months down the road, it's still good to know that Minecraft itself has finally created a platform necessary for actual mod support. Hopefully this will mean than the way we want to play Minecraft will SOLELY be up to the user, and that we'll have full freedom to explore our options to do so...

It seems like they changed that Iron Golems drown, probably due to the insane amount of iron you could make using a drowning trap.

Quote from Alblaka

2 main issues of 1.2:

-Golems can be turned into an infinite high-yield iron farm. Full inven in ~20 minutes, if set up properly.
-New ID range makes us consider moving all out blocks to a new ID-set, effectly ruining old saves unless converted. Jeb said something about an official Map converter, probably need to check that one out.

Taken from a discussion on minecraftforum.net I've been participating in

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As I said in that thread, the golem's iron drop does not need to be
removed, nor does it's vunerabillity to drowning. All that needs to be
done is reduce it's drop rate so that the rate at which one collects
iron from them is roughly similar to the rate one would get iron from
mining ore. That would fix the problem entirely. Or as somebody in the
other thread suggested, make it drop a new item 'iron filings' at the
rate it currently drops iron bars, and make a new recepie for 9x iron
filings = 1 iron bar. This would have a similar affect as nerfing the
drop."

This would indeed change everything, and not giveing IC2 the trouble of changing to much.

Just makeing Iron Golems not drown is still just not enough. I can still construct an Iron Golem trap, and kill them with ex. pistons

I sincerly hope this does not delay IC2 for MC 1.2. too much, because there are so many other bug-fixes that I would love to have on my servers... plus new mobs, and the new biome, new hight..... etc. etc. etc.

/MG0

So called "gollem problem" is far-fetched. I easily disabled golem drop on mine test server.

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Incoming tower of babel.

heh, iron golems don't drown == move them up high with a water elevator and drop them to the ground?

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There are several ways to kill Iron Golems and obtain their drop items. The following are the most effective ones:
Suffocation by a sticky piston and a block. The killing can start instantly after spawning but it will clog up the trap, making other Golems unable to either spawn or die, depending on the design.
By lava that won't touch the Golems' feet (since this is where the drops appear). This is the most damaging (and therefore the quickest) of the automated killing methods. An example picture of this method is shown to the right.

Iron Golems do not take fall damage