[IC2 Exp][1.7.10] CompactSolars 4.4

Quote from Daemonblue

Even that is wrong in regards to forge and optifine. You might have to install them directly when using the other two, but forge and optifine can be run from magic launcher as long as Forge is placed before all the forge mods and optifine is placed dead last after everything else.

Edit: Though one thing to note, with Magic Launcher the game tends to reset achievements every single time I restart it, though I think it has more to do with some of the other mods I have installed.

I actually looked into the resetting achievements thing, and it's not a Magic Launcher issue, it's a vanilla Minecraft bug, where as if the Jar is ever modified, it triggers a reset of the achievements. Kinda of a pain in the butt, but whatever. I gave up on em till it gets fixed. Completed them ALL once, and then they got blanked. Quite irritating, LOL

Well yea, I noticed that as well, but it only started doing it every single time after adding mods like TC2, RP2, and Forestry, with just IC2 and BC 3.1.5 it didn't do it all the time and yea, I gave up on em as well since the real achievement is building what you want, not what it tells you to build~

Also, on the Optifine thread it states to install it last in the mods, and with ML it only seems to work when installed last. That was just a statement in regards to saying one has to install it in the jar when he's using it though. That said, maybe installing optifine smooth very last was causing the graphical bugs with the latest version of it and forge. All I know is that changing smooth for standard got rid of my flying trees, invisible creepers, and disco sheep with no legs.

Quote from GregoriusT

The right Order for installing into Jar WITHOUT LAUNCHER is

Optifine
Forge
CodeChickenCore + NEI
Mystcraft

OK the order of the last two is irrelevant, because they have no overlapping Files. This way Optifine gets overwritten by Forge. (Forge is more important)

Noooo, dont do that! You have to override Forge with Optifine, Forge 3.2.5.120+ and Optifine C2+ are fully compatible.

Quote from FenixR

I love how people keep missing the point (And by a landslide if i may add), of why Solar Arrays so heavily compacted are OP.

If you dont see whats wrong with that picture, then i suggest you check your eyes post haste. Also ignore the fact that this amount of solar panels cause extreme lag thats a fact that its already well know, we are discussing how OP solar Arrays are not how useful.

Now if you see the image above you will see to the left that i filled a entired chunk (16x16) with solar generators for a grand total of 256 blocks in space consumed by this, if you add the cables beneath this setup it should very well sum a total of 512 blocks of space. (Solar trees may reduce Number of tin cables by a wooping 10-20%, havent done any real math on it).

And to the right would be a representation of a HV solar array, consuming a Hayoish 1 block of space (2 of you had the cable to transfer the energy).

Do remember that i only used half the solar generatiors a HV solar array actually uses, because the full setup would come to the wooping number of 1024 blocks of space used for it. IF you really can't see why solar arrays are so terrible OP then im afraid there is no hope for you.

And yes CPW sorry for the threadjacking, but dont worry, as soon as you release the solar arrays whatever i said here will be totally and completely ignored anyway so meh. (Also in no way im saying you should stop the launch of the solar arrays since like i said in another thread, necessity trumped over balance.)

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He has a Point its very Usefull this Compacting method. I use it in tekkit.

it be nice if the compact solar arrays could be used in the solar helm

Quote from Anora

it be nice if the compact solar arrays could be used in the solar helm

Agreed

java.lang.NullPointerException
at java.util.Hashtable.put(Unknown Source)
at forge.MinecraftForge.setGuiHandler(MinecraftForge.java:1107)
at mod_CompactSolars.load(mod_CompactSolars.java:34)
at cpw.mods.fml.common.modloader.ModLoaderModContainer.init(ModLoaderModContainer.java:356)
at cpw.mods.fml.common.Loader.modInit(Loader.java:273)
at cpw.mods.fml.common.Loader.initializeMods(Loader.java:628)
at cpw.mods.fml.client.FMLClientHandler.onLoadComplete(FMLClientHandler.java:223)
at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.a(Minecraft.java:429)
at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.run(Minecraft.java:738)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
--- END ERROR REPORT 97bbad7e ----------

Getting this error. No spoilers cause it so short. Happens after I update to Forge 3.3.8.164. I used to have 3.3.8.162

Just an idea, take it or leave it: Would it be possible, in order to solve both these balance and server load issues, to modify the way the existing solar panels work in that when you place a solar panel next to another solar panel, those two sort of morph together and act as a single entity? Kind of like chests do with extended inventory. I don't know how that would be done, so I'm not sure if that helps the server load issue, but the idea is that you wouldn't have to calculate the EU/t for each individual panel, just the whole "Array" of panels. You would run a wire from any panel in the array, and presto, you've got power.

That's essentially how solar arrays work in reality. It would be nonsense to hook a wire to each individual solar panel, but they each can conduct electricity to the panel next to them.

Also, to compensate for the lack of extra wiring in such a system, you could make it an advanced solar panel, crafted from a solar panel and some tin or copper wire (also inspired from reality). It would output the same amount of power, but only it would be capable of connecting with others of it's kind.

Now I'm not trying to rehash the debate about solar panel balance, it seems it was a heated topic back in the day, but it might be a cool idea, even if it doesn't really solve any issue.

That sort of sounds like how RP2 solar panels work. I don't think it would be possible code-wise, but I can't be 100% certain. Just cause it would most likely mean changing part of the energynet already built into IC2.

I don't know, but I feel, somehow, that chests would be a good place to start. When you put them next to each other, they essentially stop becoming two chests and become a single item that takes up more than one block of space. The individual blocks, from what I can see, cease to exist and a whole new creation or "entity" (in a general sense, not the technical term in minecraft programming) is in it's place. That's how I imagine these solar arrays would work, only on a much larger scale. The game doesn't have to calculate the EU/t output of each individual panel and wire, but instead only the output of the single "entity" and one wire connecting to it, theoretically allowing an infinitely sized array without increased server/cpu load. I don't know if this is the case, nor if such a thing is really practical; it may require more programming than it's worth, but would essentially solve the problem many people have.

Check this link. http://bit.ly/PvmN25

Click the first link. Its a thread created by me that answers your question.

Quote from Mortvana

CPW, when are you gonna update for Ic2 1.97, I need my HV 's
-Mortvana

First, READ! It has been mentioned multiple times in the last few pages that this addon does work in 1.97.

I have an idea: low, medium and high voltage solar arry helmets...

Thanks for this great mod. It's even fun grinding ores and stuff to make an HV . Oh my such a good feeling. And , Saving so much space! <3

Quote from Mister_Omega

First, READ! It has been mentioned multiple times in the last few pages that this addon does work in 1.97.

Actually, while the mod works fine in singleplayer, it does NOT work in multiplayer. Sad, because one of the best reasons for this mod is to cut down serverside lag (which is why I want it). Looking forward to the new version, whenever that may be!

I have 1 BIG problem,glass fiber should only transport 512 eu/t but there is no problem connection a lot of HV solar panel to just 1 cable an charge a MFSU in a blink... where the 512 max eu/t gone?

(using version 2.3.2.10 )

Quote from HaoSs

I have 1 BIG problem,glass fiber should only transport 512 eu/t but there is no problem connection a lot of HV solar panel to just 1 cable an charge a MFSU in a blink... where the 512 max eu/t gone?

(using version 2.3.2.10 )

They transport at most 512eu/t in a single packet, 10 HV arrays will send 10 512eu/t packets, not 1 5120eu/t packet. This is why the fiber is not overloaded.

Quote from bechill

They transport at most 512eu/t in a single packet, 10 HV arrays will send 10 512eu/t packets, not 1 5120eu/t packet. This is why the fiber is not overloaded.

Ok mate. thx for the explication

@Mister_Omega
Oh... Thanx, you can have my for helping me!

Quote from Jivix

Actually, while the mod works fine in singleplayer, it does NOT work in multiplayer. Sad, because one of the best reasons for this mod is to cut down serverside lag (which is why I want it). Looking forward to the new version, whenever that may be!

I use this mod in multiplayer with IC2 1.97 and did not experience any problems with arrays.